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Postby heavywoody » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:34 pm

I competed in my first Autox today! Central Carolina's Region SCCA points race first race of the season was today, and it was great! I DNF'd on my first run because I got mixed up on the second slalom on the course, but figured out what I did and ended up running a 108.7 on my second run, and then a 104.2 on my last run. I was kinda bummed that we only got 3 runs (the 1st group out got 4, and then the event coordinators changed it to 3 runs since there were over 150 drivers at the event). I was unfortunately in the 3rd run. If I hadn't DNF'd, I would have finished higher than 9th... here's the list of times. It looks like I'm in shooting distance of some of the top times; http://www.ccrscca.com/results/2009solo/ccrax1_fin.htm Scroll down to Novice

I was in DSP, novice class.

I learned alot about how the car handles in this sort of event, and learned that I can definitely push it harder than I did; I didn't hear the tires squeal at all... barely broke the back end out a couple times on my last run. I need to play with my tire pressures more too... I could use a couple more lbs up front, and a couple less out back (they had 38psi all around).

Next race is March 14/15th (14th is for Novice drivers, which I'll be attending since this is my first season).

List of cars I lost to:
BMW M3's
Mazdaspeed 3
BMW 330i's
RX7
96 Z28
Integra

List of cars I beat:
Civic
Jetta
Miata
Altima
STi!!!
Forester
Elise (A Lotus lost to a Beretta? What's wrong with this picture?)
S2000
Fiat X19
BMW M3
99 Camaro SS
Del Sol
Regal

Pics are uploading now; Boner took pictures. http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i162/ ... oX%202009/

My personal favorite (if this isn't showing up right now, wait a tick as the pictures are still uploading):


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Postby DTMAce » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:45 pm

Cool!!   Of course you do realize we do have some pretty nice road handling cars here right?  LOL  I always loved the way these things cornered...  :p


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Postby Cliff8928 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:34 am

Wow! 104 seconds is a HUGE course!

3 runs is teh sux too..

How'd those brakes do?


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Postby heavywoody » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:07 pm

DTM, I've known for a while how well these cars handle... Even stock... I've had my suspension setup for several years now, but just now got to actually see how the car really reacted to them  :D

It was a big course... here's a rough sketch...



The brakes worked excellent! No fading, great stopping when I needed it... fantastic!

However, I am having one issue with the brakes... when I turn the wheel full lock, the vacuum disappears from the brakes and I have to pump them up to get them to work.  :hammer


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Postby Money pit Beretta » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:21 pm

I bet there was some people scratching their heads after that! What is NDSP?


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Postby heavywoody » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:22 pm

Novice, DSP (Street Prepared). I decided to race Novice this season since it's my first time, and I'll be able to get more pointers from instructors that way too.  I'm dangerously close to Street Mod, which will definitely have more powerful cars there... if I go with a cam and headers like I'm wanting to, I'll be in SM.


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Postby Money pit Beretta » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:41 pm

Thanks for the info.
I guess they didn't care about the engine swap? What cam and headers are you thinking about getting?


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Postby DTMAce » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:42 pm

Have to admit that would be a blast!   Too bad not much of that goes on around here...  :(

I miss Ohio for one thing.  The roads were FUN to drive on!  There are roads there that LOOK like that map you put up... LOL

Ah well.  Yeah my car as it sits would not keep up with you, handling or engine wise.  If I was going to do stuff like that I would most likely buy one and build it for this purpose.  Who knows, maybe someday.  :p


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Postby Cliff8928 » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:59 am


(Money pit Beretta @ Feb. 23 2009,21:41)
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Thanks for the info.
I guess they didn't care about the engine swap? What cam and headers are you thinking about getting?

some engine swaps fall under SP class.  It's the cam that will get ya into SM, or adding boost.


Actually, I do believe the brake upgrade should've put it into SM.  Unless they have different rules?


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Postby heavywoody » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:05 am

Different regions follow rules differently. There was a DIY classification I did, which is what put me into SP.

I haven't even looked into cam profiles yet, but I know it will be from WOTech. Headers will be modiified S&S ones from a N-body.


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Postby 3X00-Modified » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:56 pm

Go with a 1280 cam, 222whp in a malibu  ;)  just imagine on a 5-speed.

Also the brake issue... Are you sure your not kinking the left side hose or over extending the right side one??  I would really look into that if I were you since loosing VAC on a turn to lock is unrelated...







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Postby Money pit Beretta » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:11 pm

When you were on the track how low did you get in RPM? I was just thinking about low end TQ with the 1280 cam in the autoX. Your thoughts on this would help me on finding a good all around street cam.


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Postby wicked-irocz » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:47 am

I tend to run 42-45 up front and 35-38 in the rear.

Nice to see you getting it out geoff. Very nice beating an sti.

If you plan to do it often bumping the front camber up to about -2* will make for a much better handling car and keep you from wearing out the outside of the tires.


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Postby quad4berettagtz » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:18 pm

Geoff, glad to hear you made to (and from) the event!! You have a steep hill to climb, running in DSP (same class as me). You really need to run near max pressure in the front tires on these cars... They are too heavy in the front. Depending on how much body rotation you want, you can bump the pressure in the rear. Higher pressures (40psi) will make the car "loose", but it will sometimes get better rotation around a corner. Lower pressures (32-35psi) will keep the back end planted. I personally like to keep the rear planted, so I run 32-35psi in the rear... and I keep the spare and jack in!!  :banana  Camber is a MUST... Look to get as much as you can in the front (rear is negligible on our level of things) up to about 2 degrees. Any more than that is over kill and you will loose grip on your launch. My other advice for you is once you set up the car to preferences, so simply trust the car and the tires- it will do things you didn't think were possible before....  Get the brake lines looked at, obviously that is not good.  I am also surprised that the swap didn't push you into SM like we talked about in Jan.  I'd go with it though, because a 3400 5spd is better suited to autox than a Quad IMHO.  On short courses anyway, maybe on a course as big as that one I would have been par with you.  One other thing- if you continue with this, you will want to invest in some serious rubber.  Tires are the single most aspect of autox, no matter how the car is setup.  Just get a feel for what tires people are running in your class, up here Hoosiers are the king tire- but they are pricey.  You can get your hands on some Toyos or BFG's cheaper and they will last longer (I've got Toyo Proxes RA1's- discontinued now).  Less grip than the Hoosiers, more budget friendly, but if driven well can compete with the better tires.  Maybe we will have to get an autox event at Bfest- I'd LOVE you run against you since we are in the same class. (I could just 2 driver your car if I can't bring the autox car)  Think about it!   :p


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Postby quad4berettagtz » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:26 pm

Did I mention how jealous I am that you get to start autox TWO MONTHS before me?!?!?  Our first event is not until April 26th!!!  I should migrate south for march and april so I can autox...  snowmobiling is done anyway!   :banana


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