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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:10 am
by woody90gtz
3X00-Modified wrote:13's n/a is not easy... or cheap... There are a few who think they can do it with stock engines, but I really don't think that's going to happen ;)

One way to find out!

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:42 pm
by MY91GT(Z)
Yea wait till next year ^^^ i hope one of us can do it me , u , barry or some1 as we are closest to stock as we can get

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:01 am
by Asylum
I came about the closests to a 13 on a "stock" engine (14.06) but that was under almost idea conditions. I can't see it happening with a 3400 unless you gut the hell out of the car.


:beer:

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:15 am
by woody90gtz
Asylum wrote:I came about the closests to a 13 on a "stock" engine (14.06) but that was under almost idea conditions. I can't see it happening with a 3400 unless you gut the hell out of the car.


:beer:


Weight-wise remember 5spds are lighter than slush boxes. :D

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:50 am
by 3X00-Modified
remember slush boxes are more reliable and consistent. To this day there is not one 3400 or 3500 5-speed time that's quicker than Brennan's, That either means all the 5-speed owners can't shift or just can't get it to go right. First gear is very hard to negotiate on those...

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:03 am
by woody90gtz
3X00-Modified wrote:remember slush boxes are more reliable and consistent. To this day there is not one 3400 or 3500 5-speed time that's quicker than Brennan's, That either means all the 5-speed owners can't shift or just can't get it to go right. First gear is very hard to negotiate on those...

We're talking stock 5spds though...put them up against a stock auto 3t or 4t and see what happens. You'll never get me to agree that a slush box is more reliable than a 5spd.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:37 pm
by 3X00-Modified
Stock 3500 3t40 did a 14.06... stock 3500 5-speed (Barry) has not matched/beaten that yet. And when you say stock 5-speed are you referring to the transmission itself is stock? If so the only difference between Eric's 3t40 and a stock one is the shift speed torque converter and clutches, so essentially that's like putting a spec stage 3 clutch in a Beretta and having someone who can shift fast.

Reliable 1/4 mile wise yes. That's why most professional drag racers do not use manual transmissions, too many variables.

I'm not arguing fun with drive ability since I own a DD 5-speed car.

It's the same damn argument over and over again and its worse than a god damn political debate, so this is all I'm going to say to it.

Everyone has their own preference, DONE! At least I'm done.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:25 pm
by 3400beretta
All I know is that I wish I had left the 4tsleezy-e in my car rather than swapping to a 5 speed. I know if I had the tranny built to be able to handle the power, I would have been in the 11s LONG ago. In fact I seriously considered swapping back to auto this year.. I even saved the mount I cut off the frame rail.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:13 pm
by woody90gtz
5spd 5spd 5spd! haha :lol: It's just so much fun to bust your balls.

Barry's 5spd ran what, a 14.1? And Eric's gearing in his 3t40 was not stock on his 14.0 either. I know what you are saying about consistency with an auto, but as far as reliability/durability of a stock trans, I don't know how you can beat a 5spd. Just having a 3400/4t60e and a 3400/5spd it seems quite a bit quicker with the manual...maybe it's the headers.

With a TH400 I'd have had the Camaro in the 12s 3 years ago, but I'd still never build one like that today. To each his own, it's doesn't need to be a "fight." haha

Rodney, it only took me a couple trips to the track to crack 14s with my sleezy, but I still hated the thing. Perhaps the biggest issue is the stock shift logic, Jon drove that car once and didn't like it either. But I don't have the cash or the patience to learn how to build a stronger auto. So my ~170k stock 5spd is doing great.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:30 pm
by KFLO 93 GT
I've still got the parts to go back to stock on the front of my car. It's tempting to try just to see where it would go with a good launch on 15" crosslaces all around. I know that as it is there is a 14.7 with the 17s and Baers, so I think a 14.5 or better wouldn't be crap.

The huge brakes aren't going anywhere though, and infact I want the matched set for the back. Looks like I may have to supercharge this bitch just to make it back into the 14s. ;)

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:19 am
by Vampcrist
One major problem with a 5speed is having to shift yourself makes for more human error. But I learned to drive a 63 Ford Ranchero 3 on the tree before anything with old school clutch systems there is a whole different ball game. Really though with a hydrolic clutch only time someone that knows how to drive a 5 speed that they hit the clutch in a 1/4 is starting out off the line.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:23 pm
by Asylum
You guys keep picking on my poor little 3t40, but I'm still waiting for somebody to beat it!

As for the fun of shifting, I have a perfectly good and beautiful Quad I can drive whenever I want.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:01 pm
by Barry
I think with a cutout in my exhaust I could of matched erics time no problem. I did 14.10 on street tires. He did it with a cutout and drag radials.

But who knows whats going on now, 14.5's all day at Bfest NE.


But only the slips will tell. I can argue all day about trannies online. Me and Jon have been at it for like 3 years now lol.

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:53 pm
by MY91GT(Z)
well spring time will prove it for many on here and ill be in the hunt come then too especially when tax season comes and i have some money

Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:23 pm
by KFLO 93 GT
I've heard you say that before. :P