1988GTU wrote:I prefer gmfwd over bstuff, u don't obviously know me and by saying that u just never plan to.
Nope. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I really don't have a problem with the fact that a lot of people don't care for the N* -it was THE engine to get back in the day, but oil-leaks, rebuilding concerns, lack of much aftermarket support (which I don''t care about, as I, and many other issues (some of which do not apply to the L47 variant that is in my Indy) have given the engine a bad reputation now, almost 20 years later. But, I found your comment about 'wasting time and money' to be inflammatory and offensive, for no apparent reason other than to defend your erroneous statement about 'severe engine bay mods' being necessary for the conversion. Looking at your sig pic (which is cool in my opinion, BTW -I have no problem offering props to people when they deserve them), how would you react if I said "3X00 swaps are boring, overdone, and have no merit due to the extreme lack of imagination", would that be just tactless, or would it be deliberately rude? I say both (I don't actually think that 3X00 swaps are without merit, BTW, that was just making a point). Would you ever walk up your neighbor and say, "Hey, your car is a POS, but have a nice day"? I feel that people should treat each other with respect and acknowledge their validity whether interacting in person or on-line. I've found most of your posts (the ones I've read, anyway) to be fine, often even insightful and valid. But not here, sorry. I'm not taking it personally, and maybe you are just having a bad day, IDK, I've had them too. But as I said, it was like the constant bickering and needling from
bstuff, which at least showed that people had passion about their interest in Berettas...
I'm sorry, but the simple fact is that I've gotten to a point where I just don't tolerate it when people act online in a way that they never would face-to-face.
Moving on...
1988GTU wrote:I'd rather swap in an iron duke than a n*. Much easier to work with and would be more unique
I do think an Iron Duke in a Beretta would be unique, sure, but the car was offered with an OHV four-banger, so how would that be 'more unique' than a V-8, N* or otherwise? To my knowledge, I have the first and ONLY N* Beretta (and there may be good reasons for that
), particularly one that remained FWD, and even more so as it still has its' original five-speed Muncie... I really wasn't trying to turn this into an N* thread -sorry I mentioned it.
1988GTU wrote:The 3800 would be my engine of choice if it were the choice between a N* or a 3800.
Now THIS, I agree with, whole-heartedly, which is interesting, since I didn't like the 3800s until I had one, and I was actually looking into trying to copy the V-8 Indy back then even before I got the 3800. Now, after seeing the difference in swap requirements, the only really good reasons to use a Northstar in a Beretta is to get the low-end and mid-range torque of the V-8 (which would be easier to get with an LS-series swap -now THAT would still be unique, I've been thinking of doing that with my '95 Z-26 someday, after the price of the engines come down, but I'll likely try to find a good Quad to turbo for it instead), or to have the character, exhaust-note, and uniqueness of the car. I guess the N* has more potential than the 3800 in the aspect of pure displacement, air-flow through the 32-valves and efficiency of hemispherical aluminum heads, but at 10.3:1 compression, forced-induction is 'delicate', and would be difficult to fit in a Beretta (I've looked
) unless going with a RMT setup (remote mount turbo), and aftermarket cams are hard to come by. What else could you do to it, really? A chip? Seriously... You could drop the compression and boost it I guess.
The LC3 4.4-liter N* already comes supercharged, and produces as much as ~470 H.P. and ~440 ft-lbs of torque at 9:1 compression... That would be hard to produce with a 3800, though not impossible. Probably almost impossible with an Iron Duke though, at least more than once...
Rettax3 wrote:Now, if you want to talk about a 4.6-Liter Northstar V-8 swap... Um, don't.
But I did mean that, it wasn't actually an invitation, and now you know why...