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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby woody90gtz » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:10 am

3X00-Modified wrote:13's n/a is not easy... or cheap... There are a few who think they can do it with stock engines, but I really don't think that's going to happen ;)

One way to find out!


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby MY91GT(Z) » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:42 pm

Yea wait till next year ^^^ i hope one of us can do it me , u , barry or some1 as we are closest to stock as we can get



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby Asylum » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:01 am

I came about the closests to a 13 on a "stock" engine (14.06) but that was under almost idea conditions. I can't see it happening with a 3400 unless you gut the hell out of the car.


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby woody90gtz » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:15 am

Asylum wrote:I came about the closests to a 13 on a "stock" engine (14.06) but that was under almost idea conditions. I can't see it happening with a 3400 unless you gut the hell out of the car.


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Weight-wise remember 5spds are lighter than slush boxes. :D


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby 3X00-Modified » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:50 am

remember slush boxes are more reliable and consistent. To this day there is not one 3400 or 3500 5-speed time that's quicker than Brennan's, That either means all the 5-speed owners can't shift or just can't get it to go right. First gear is very hard to negotiate on those...



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Postby woody90gtz » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:03 am

3X00-Modified wrote:remember slush boxes are more reliable and consistent. To this day there is not one 3400 or 3500 5-speed time that's quicker than Brennan's, That either means all the 5-speed owners can't shift or just can't get it to go right. First gear is very hard to negotiate on those...

We're talking stock 5spds though...put them up against a stock auto 3t or 4t and see what happens. You'll never get me to agree that a slush box is more reliable than a 5spd.


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby 3X00-Modified » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:37 pm

Stock 3500 3t40 did a 14.06... stock 3500 5-speed (Barry) has not matched/beaten that yet. And when you say stock 5-speed are you referring to the transmission itself is stock? If so the only difference between Eric's 3t40 and a stock one is the shift speed torque converter and clutches, so essentially that's like putting a spec stage 3 clutch in a Beretta and having someone who can shift fast.

Reliable 1/4 mile wise yes. That's why most professional drag racers do not use manual transmissions, too many variables.

I'm not arguing fun with drive ability since I own a DD 5-speed car.

It's the same damn argument over and over again and its worse than a god damn political debate, so this is all I'm going to say to it.

Everyone has their own preference, DONE! At least I'm done.



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby 3400beretta » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:25 pm

All I know is that I wish I had left the 4tsleezy-e in my car rather than swapping to a 5 speed. I know if I had the tranny built to be able to handle the power, I would have been in the 11s LONG ago. In fact I seriously considered swapping back to auto this year.. I even saved the mount I cut off the frame rail.



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby woody90gtz » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:13 pm

5spd 5spd 5spd! haha :lol: It's just so much fun to bust your balls.

Barry's 5spd ran what, a 14.1? And Eric's gearing in his 3t40 was not stock on his 14.0 either. I know what you are saying about consistency with an auto, but as far as reliability/durability of a stock trans, I don't know how you can beat a 5spd. Just having a 3400/4t60e and a 3400/5spd it seems quite a bit quicker with the manual...maybe it's the headers.

With a TH400 I'd have had the Camaro in the 12s 3 years ago, but I'd still never build one like that today. To each his own, it's doesn't need to be a "fight." haha

Rodney, it only took me a couple trips to the track to crack 14s with my sleezy, but I still hated the thing. Perhaps the biggest issue is the stock shift logic, Jon drove that car once and didn't like it either. But I don't have the cash or the patience to learn how to build a stronger auto. So my ~170k stock 5spd is doing great.


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby KFLO 93 GT » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:30 pm

I've still got the parts to go back to stock on the front of my car. It's tempting to try just to see where it would go with a good launch on 15" crosslaces all around. I know that as it is there is a 14.7 with the 17s and Baers, so I think a 14.5 or better wouldn't be crap.

The huge brakes aren't going anywhere though, and infact I want the matched set for the back. Looks like I may have to supercharge this bitch just to make it back into the 14s. ;)


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby Vampcrist » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:19 am

One major problem with a 5speed is having to shift yourself makes for more human error. But I learned to drive a 63 Ford Ranchero 3 on the tree before anything with old school clutch systems there is a whole different ball game. Really though with a hydrolic clutch only time someone that knows how to drive a 5 speed that they hit the clutch in a 1/4 is starting out off the line.



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby Asylum » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:23 pm

You guys keep picking on my poor little 3t40, but I'm still waiting for somebody to beat it!

As for the fun of shifting, I have a perfectly good and beautiful Quad I can drive whenever I want.


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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby Barry » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:01 pm

I think with a cutout in my exhaust I could of matched erics time no problem. I did 14.10 on street tires. He did it with a cutout and drag radials.

But who knows whats going on now, 14.5's all day at Bfest NE.


But only the slips will tell. I can argue all day about trannies online. Me and Jon have been at it for like 3 years now lol.



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby MY91GT(Z) » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:53 pm

well spring time will prove it for many on here and ill be in the hunt come then too especially when tax season comes and i have some money



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Re: 12.67@107.43 (Updated slips at bottom of thread)

Postby KFLO 93 GT » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:23 pm

I've heard you say that before. :P


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