Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 99GaGT3X00 » Fri May 04, 2012 6:58 am

1995berettaz-26man wrote:If and when I do the swap I want to keep my factory GTZ wheels, I also considered doing the 92 camaro 25th anniversary wheel conversion also since alot of grand am guys are doing this anyway I like the rims and they kinda carry a bit of GTZ styling too that's why I like them

care to provide pics or links to where you have seen this. i've been around the Grand am scene for the last 8+yrs and have never heard of anyone trying this or seen any GA's with camaro wheels.


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby heavywoody » Fri May 04, 2012 8:23 am

1995berettaz-26man wrote:I was wondering about those fins or ribs in the c5 caliper I wonder how much I could grind them down, they almost act as though they are cooling fins with the air trapped between the wheel and caliper to keep them babies cool, if I could grind them down enough to make a Gtz 16" fit I should be good cause of how much the wheel adapters for the lug pattern spaces the wheel out hopefully maybe :Bravo:


The fins are there for structural reinforcement. F-body calipers flex because the tops of them don't have the reinforcement ribs; that's why I chose the C5 calipers since I don't want caliper flex to affect my braking performance.


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 3X00-Modified » Fri May 04, 2012 8:28 am

Yeah, rather than grinding down fins on the expensive vette calipers, why not just get Camaro calipers like I have.

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I still don't think you'll get it to fit though.



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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby scd88ga » Fri May 04, 2012 9:33 am

99GaGT3X00 wrote:care to provide pics or links to where you have seen this. i've been around the Grand am scene for the last 8+yrs and have never heard of anyone trying this or seen any GA's with camaro wheels.


Same here, I've been around the Grand Am scene for about 6 years and a GAOC member for 4 and I haven't seen any either... I'm throwing out the BS flag for multiple reasons on this one! lol :no: :fool:


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 99GaGT3X00 » Fri May 04, 2012 11:36 am

scd88ga wrote:Same here, I've been around the Grand Am scene for about 6 years and a GAOC member for 4 and I haven't seen any either... I'm throwing out the BS flag for multiple reasons on this one! lol :no: :fool:

with you on that one.

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1 reason the offset would be ridiculous.

the only RWD rims i have ever seen anyone put on a Grand am were the mustang bullitt style rims. but the way the camaro rims are it wouldn't work for a number of reason..


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 1990BerettaGTZ2.3L » Fri May 04, 2012 5:31 pm

I don't have pics cause I'm always driving when I see them but there are 2 99-04 grand and runnin around my town with them ones black and ones red, and they look damn good they have the wide stance but not too harsh :good:


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scd88ga wrote:Same here, I've been around the Grand Am scene for about 6 years and a GAOC member for 4 and I haven't seen any either... I'm throwing out the BS flag for multiple reasons on this one! lol :no: :fool:

with you on that one.

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1 reason the offset would be ridiculous.

the only RWD rims i have ever seen anyone put on a Grand am were the mustang bullitt style rims. but the way the camaro rims are it wouldn't work for a number of reason..


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby berettaboi » Sat May 05, 2012 1:01 am

ok, so for some clarification... to do the n-body front brake swap, you will need the n-body knuckle and bearing assembly (same as beretta bearing? my car is a 95 if that makes a difference), trimming part of each knuckle that is used for steering on the n-body cars, and the obvious brake disk/pads/caliper...

is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles? now how about the ABS sensors? those are always screwed up on the n-body cars... i need to replace my brakes, and i have a bearing going out i think... might be the time to upgrade. should be able to get the main swap parts at a 'free parts day/$50 all you can carry' at the wreckers!


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby SummitBalt08 » Sat May 05, 2012 2:00 am

I'm just wondering if I could use C6 calipers instead of C5 calipers.. I like the Corvette font of the C6 better. I'm going to look into that.


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Re: Upgrade To 12

Postby scd88ga » Sat May 05, 2012 8:09 am

SummitBalt08 wrote:I'm just wondering if I could use C6 calipers instead of C5 calipers.. I like the Corvette font of the C6 better. I'm going to look into that.


Yes! But keep in mind, only C6 base model calipers will work. :D


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby scd88ga » Sat May 05, 2012 8:23 am

berettaboi wrote:ok, so for some clarification... to do the n-body front brake swap, you will need the n-body knuckle and bearing assembly (same as beretta bearing? my car is a 95 if that makes a difference), trimming part of each knuckle that is used for steering on the n-body cars, and the obvious brake disk/pads/caliper...

is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles? now how about the ABS sensors? those are always screwed up on the n-body cars... i need to replace my brakes, and i have a bearing going out i think... might be the time to upgrade. should be able to get the main swap parts at a 'free parts day/$50 all you can carry' at the wreckers!


My god dude, read the dang thread, that's why it's here!!! lol Anyway, just for you I will answer all your questions that are already answered in the FIRST POST of page 1 viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1317.

Question: is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles?

Answer: NO! Not even close, they mount differently which is why you have to use the aluminum 99-05 N-body knuckle and matching N-body wheel bearing. This will change you wheel bolt pattern from the original 5x100 to 5 x115...

Question: and utilize the beretta axles?

Answer: No! You need to disassemble your axles and reassemble them with N-body outer CV joints.

Question: now how about the ABS sensors?

Answer: You use the N-body ABS Sensors as well.

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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby heavywoody » Sat May 05, 2012 8:28 am

berettaboi wrote:ok, so for some clarification... to do the n-body front brake swap, you will need the n-body knuckle and bearing assembly (same as beretta bearing? my car is a 95 if that makes a difference), trimming part of each knuckle that is used for steering on the n-body cars, and the obvious brake disk/pads/caliper...

is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles? now how about the ABS sensors? those are always screwed up on the n-body cars... i need to replace my brakes, and i have a bearing going out i think... might be the time to upgrade. should be able to get the main swap parts at a 'free parts day/$50 all you can carry' at the wreckers!


You need to read the first post...


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 1990BerettaGTZ2.3L » Sat May 05, 2012 9:40 am

Don't forget to pick up the n-body lower balljoints to mount on your beretta control arms so the knuckle will work or your gonna be m-f-ing it when you do so


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berettaboi wrote:ok, so for some clarification... to do the n-body front brake swap, you will need the n-body knuckle and bearing assembly (same as beretta bearing? my car is a 95 if that makes a difference), trimming part of each knuckle that is used for steering on the n-body cars, and the obvious brake disk/pads/caliper...

is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles? now how about the ABS sensors? those are always screwed up on the n-body cars... i need to replace my brakes, and i have a bearing going out i think... might be the time to upgrade. should be able to get the main swap parts at a 'free parts day/$50 all you can carry' at the wreckers!


My god dude, read the dang thread, that's why it's here!!! lol Anyway, just for you I will answer all your questions that are already answered in the FIRST POST of page 1 viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1317.

Question: is the bearing the same between the L-body and N-body? and utilize the beretta axles?

Answer: NO! Not even close, they mount differently which is why you have to use the aluminum 99-05 N-body knuckle and matching N-body wheel bearing. This will change you wheel bolt pattern from the original 5x100 to 5 x115...

Question: and utilize the beretta axles?

Answer: No! You need to disassemble your axles and reassemble them with N-body outer CV joints.

Question: now how about the ABS sensors?

Answer: You use the N-body ABS Sensors as well.

K? :O:


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby 1990BerettaGTZ2.3L » Sat May 05, 2012 9:43 am

But I want the corvette script so bad :sorry:


3X00-Modified wrote:Yeah, rather than grinding down fins on the expensive vette calipers, why not just get Camaro calipers like I have.

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I still don't think you'll get it to fit though.


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby SummitBalt08 » Sat May 05, 2012 1:27 pm

scd88ga wrote:
SummitBalt08 wrote:I'm just wondering if I could use C6 calipers instead of C5 calipers.. I like the Corvette font of the C6 better. I'm going to look into that.


Yes! But keep in mind, only C6 base model calipers will work. :D


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Re: Upgrade To 12" Front Brakes

Postby berettaboi » Sat May 05, 2012 5:45 pm

Thanks. seemingly skimmed too quickly through the first useful posts...


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