Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby michi » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:40 pm

I didnt asked about the quality of konis vs. kyb... i just wonder how happy you guys are with konis cause id like to have a set for my car too :) What springs are you running? Anyone with canucks, sprint or intrax springs? I like the drop of the canucks thats why i didnt put on the Eibach prokit on mine...
Weba, does your black car got original konis that were sold for our cars or have you done that build too?



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby 3X00-Modified » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:07 pm

I'm running Eibach on both setups. I don't feel the koni's are that harsh... yeah they can feel pretty rough when you have the dampening cranked up, but if I take that out they feel quite fine.

Going off the numbers if you have the J-body setup the compression dampening is quite firmer than the original Beretta spec... Not sure why they did that with the Beretta being the heavier car but they did for some reason. SO what I'm running may be firmer than say Mike Pride's GTZ since he has original Beretta Koni's. The Mitsubishi ones are somewhere in the middle and the only person running those is Robert right now on his GT.



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby weba » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:50 am

michi, I have the J-body ones fitted. Sprints at front and Eibach at rear, both pairs are about 10 year old.



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby Cliff8928 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:32 am

I doubt the 95-05 J-Body Konis that much more harsh (if at all) than the Beretta specific versions. My GT (on eibachs) and Mike's GTZ (on sprints) pretty well ride like a buckboard. Both are equipped with the Beretta-Specific Konis on all 4 corners.


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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby 3X00-Modified » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:24 am

According to Koni spec the dampening rate is much higher for the J-bodies.

Looking at the data, dimensionally the Beretta and Cavalier units are similar with Cavalier being ½ to ¾ inch shorter but the Cavalier is nearly double the rebound and compression damping forces of the Beretta. Although the valving of the Eclipse unit in rebound is in between the other two cars


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Max. extended (mm) 580
Min. Compressed (mm) 417
Rebound damping max/min (@ .33 m/s) 1300/650
Compression damping (@ .33 m/s) 400

Rebound damping max/min (@ .13 m/s) 500/250
Compression damping (@ .13 m/s) 280

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8641-1454Sport
Max. extended (mm) 567
Min. Compressed (mm) 400
Rebound damping max/min (@ .33 m/s) 2500/1250
Compression damping (@ .33 m/s) 700

Rebound damping max/min (@ .13 m/s) 1500/750
Compression damping (@ .13 m/s) 400



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby snowblindburd » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:41 am

I can confirm by my back-o-meter that Pride's racecar is quite the wild ride. Not sure I'd want to drive/ride in something more harsh than that :D.



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby 3X00-Modified » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:49 pm

Pauly recently did this with the Mitsubishi inserts and the total cut off for the strut housing is 64mm vs the Koni measurement of 40mm. These inserts are shorter than the J-body's. This ended up with a insert stickout like this.

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You want to have at least this much of the insert visible.



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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby whiteretta » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:34 pm

No updates on this in a few years, but that's about to change!

With the recent trip down south and finally killing the rear shocks, I wanted to check the part numbers listed here to get a better, more performance oriented shock than the KYB's. I'd seen all the stock shock measurements, and remembered you can look up shocks by specs on Speedway Motor's website. Of course, I only got two options. However, one option had a vehicle fitment note on it...

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Looks like fox body Mustangs have shocks relatively close to the '87 - '94 shocks, with actual performace options! All specs listed are KYB Excel specs, for reference. Looks like the bottom bracket on the car would need drilled out more, and you'd need a larger bolt, but I don't see this as an issue. Same length and thread pitch on the top stud.

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Re: Koni Yellow PN's Bilstein #'s

Postby heavywoody » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:58 am

Another option is 93-02 F-body shocks. I'm using them on my rear with the J-body rear axle; all you need to do is press out the bolt and insert a tube for the bolt to go through.


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