Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby woody90gtz » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:53 pm

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Waverly's first Carlisle is history, but so is my quarter panel. Popped the LF brake hose on the autox and slid into a chain link fence. Made 2 open runs earlier in the day with no problem (8 of those hairpin 180s), but my first lap of the shootout it let loose. Sucks cause it's gonna be a bitch to fix the quarter...but Advance had the hose in stock and I was able to fix it and drive it home. There's a reason they say the rule of thumb is not to race anything you can't afford to wreck...

The kid liked it though, so that's good. Maybe I'll have a little gearhead buddy and my own little racer once she gets older.

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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby Asylum » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:22 pm

That's nasty Woody, but it could have been a lot worse.

Good luck with it!!


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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby ifixalot » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:17 am

I feel for ya on that quarter panel damage. But at least it didn't hit in front of the rear wheel.



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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby Rettax3 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:15 pm

Ouch! Glad you weren't hurt though, and if the rear wheel wasn't touched, I doubt you even need to worry about anything structural. Your car has always been solid despite being in NY, you should be able to fix that. GM brake hoses... I had almost gotten it pushed through at the shop I used to work at that if we did brake calipers, we would also do the hoses. Even the very conservative manager conceded that it wasn't a bad idea on at least the Chevys. He just wouldn't quite agree that by the time we were already doing $400 worth of brake work, an extra $9 per side with no extra labor would be worth it for the customer and for our liability. Honestly, as much as that sucks, the cool part is that you race that car, you put your money where your mouth is, so to speak. Damaged or not, respect has been earned by that car. :good:


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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby woody90gtz » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:13 pm

It was actually a Goodridge braided stainless hose - installed 2013 the same time as the rear disc. The braid was frayed where it blew. I don't know for certain if it was cumulative wear, or if the combination of g-forces and suspension articulation just pinched it at the FE7 endlink on that off-camber swoop right before the straight. That was about the tenth time I hammered on the brakes that day...but I didn't have a gopro in that area then. I actually have a mount in that spot, but only had the RR rolling at the time to see if I could capture it 3 wheeling...but I'll post all that stuff later.

I bought new braided lines (slightly shorter Russell hoses for a Cavalier actually this time) so I can get my swaybar hooked back up. Driving with an Addco rear and no front bar makes it tail happy...which feels weird for a FWD.

The Carlisle pro photographer did get a nice shot about 10sec before the crap hit the fence... And the UMI photographer is actually a huge fan of the car because she has 3 Berettas. So she sent me a bunch of pics too. Even offered a quarter if I need it. haha
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It's straight-ish now. Drilled the rivets and used the steel bracket from my spare 95Z rear bumper and heat gun to straighten the urethane. Took it to a buddy's with his porta-power and got it good enough to be water-tight and install the straight bumper and put a sidemarker in it. Hit it with a paint marker to hide the teal, too. haha
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Talked to my paint buddy and coming up with a gameplan. The paint job on it now looks great from 20ft, but it has some imperfections coming through from the 90s GM base and probably just the fact that it has teal and two layers of gray on it. Has some crazing on the roof and even a couple bubbles on one fender. Long-term it really needs to be stripped to bare metal and refinished. But - I already have a Camaro in bare metal and epoxy, so that's not a project I wanna get into right now. I'm gonna rock it as-is for the rest of this year and then check in with my body guy this winter to see if he can patch it up temporarily. He says he can get it pretty damn good with his stud welder, hammer & dolly and some filler. I'd blast it bare before he starts. There's a little bit of both colors left over from the respray, so it would be fairly cheap to get it back looking decent. Then I'd have to redo it again in a few years when the quarter filler starts to degrade and the other crazing starts to split. But it would buy me some time to get the Camaro driving.

Be kinda funny to break the n/a drag record this year with a quarter that looks like crumpled tin foil! haha


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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby Rettax3 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:21 am

GM just seems to have brake hose issues -yes, I mostly mean what they come with originally, and from what you said your Goodridge may have a Goodexcuse, but I think there is something about how they route them, angles, proximity to other brake components/wheels, overall length or amount of flex, SOMETHING. Even after they have been replaced once, I've seen a small but noticeably higher rate of GM brake hose failure... Maybe after owning so many 3rd-Gen F-Bodies I just EXPECT them to fail, IDK. :pardon:

Good plan for moving forward, and you have certainly kept a positive attitude -I would be hand-wringing every night for two weeks straight about the paint and the dent, you know, if any of my Berettas looked as clean as yours did to begin with. :roll: You've already gotten it straight around that hard bend at the edge of the trunk-lid opening, you'll be just fine getting her straightened out.
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1990 Turbo 3.4 5-Speed T-Type
1990 4.0L 4-Cam 32-Valve V-8 5-Speed Indy GTi (Project)
1990 Stock(!) 3.1 MPFI Auto Indy
1995 LA1/L82 4T60E Z-26
1995 3.4 DOHC Turbo 5-Speed Z-26

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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby woody90gtz » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:38 pm

Crash video is up. I took the wife's video and played it in super slow mo and it looks like the front left did lock somehow once it was already too late. I felt the line pop on the straight though and it didn't stop for crap. But it makes me wonder what actually happened inside that master cylinder and what sealed off. After changing the LF hose it was the only one that needed bleeding, and I was amazed how little brake fluid it took. Wish I had my LF gopro going...could have answered some questions.

https://youtu.be/riry7WLK3eI


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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby ifixalot » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:31 pm

Interesting video. Again, I feel sorry you messed up your car. I hope the repair goes well and soon!
When I've had rusty brake lines blow out, gravity drains all the fluid out. Unless air to displace the fluid can't get in
under those bellow like things in the reservoir seal. Maybe some gunk in the vent grooves?



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Re: Project 91 "SS" 3400/5spd

Postby woody90gtz » Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:49 am

I'm not sure what the cause was. It surprised me when I opened the cap and it looked full. It wouldn't gravity bleed or pump/hold bleed until I slammed on the pedal with the line open. There has to be some sort of safety valve or something.


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