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Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:53 pm
by Robert 89gt
Jon should have both very soon.
One from Alex.
And the One from Brett.94 cavalier
Which ever jon thinks is best im sure he'll figure it out=)
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:11 pm
by scd88ga
3X00-Modified wrote:
Only issue is, are all the axle inner's the same?
and that's odd, that engine bracket looks exactly the same as his, but if the motor mount comes free from that then I can use his poly filled mount with that bracket and jack shaft.
Anyone have a part number for the trans seal? I'm ordering a cam sensor from RA today and would like to order that at the same time.
I just need to do some test fitting of that jack shaft to ensure alignment is correct, I don't want any issues down the line.
From what I can gather the size and spline count of the axle inners are the same between auto and manual.
Yes, the motor mount just unbolts from the engine bracket. What's the GM part number on his original engine bracket? The part number should be stamped into it.
I believe the part number for the trans seal is 3543
I'm not sure why you need to do any test fitting for alignment, it's a direct bolt on to the 3400. I'm not confused about the process in which you took the engine and trans out or how you want to put it back in, I was just showing that you can put it in all together instead or separate.
Barry and Alpine *The 3500 talk in here needs to stop because you're confusing people! Roberts engine is a 3400, not a 3500* lol, carry on
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:37 pm
by Robert 89gt
Brett the money just when out so you should have it very soon.
Yes the beretta jack shaft lines up better with a 3500 swap car.
But the iron one is stronger.BLAH BLAH
Im getting both so who cares anymore.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Jon the one from Alex said it would be there on monday.
So it's fine if thats the one you want to use?
Bretts wont be there untill the end of the week i would guess.
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:59 pm
by 3X00-Modified
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:47 pm
by 95BerettaBase
Dayummm!!! That looks awesome!!
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:38 am
by DTMAce
Nice! Yep, that's the way it should be..
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:02 am
by scd88ga
3X00-Modified wrote:and that's odd, that engine bracket looks exactly the same as his
I looked a little further into this out of curiosity, and as I said before, they are different.
Robert's engine bracket should be GM Part # 22581662 (used on various GM models for both automatics and manuals from 87-94)
My engine bracket is GM Part# 22587202 (used only on V6 5 speed 94 J bodies)
My jack shaft is also 94 J body V6 5 speed specific. Prior to 94, V6 5 speed Beretta's and Cavaliers used the same exact weak jack shaft (2 different styles depending on the production year).
If GM would have produced a V6 5 speed Beretta in 94, I can assume they would have used the same engine bracket and jack shaft as the 94 J body. Even though only used for 1 year, IMO it is a GREATLY improved design and the J body guys love them!
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:17 am
by Robert 89gt
Yeah jon the engine looks perfect.
You did an amazing job!!!
I think the 94 bracket would work i just worried about it lining up.
But it's should be fine Superdave said either would work.
But he likes the steel better so there you go brett.
You win stop talking about it.lol
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:49 am
by Barry
That's hot
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:23 am
by 3X00-Modified
So... The AC delete Pulley... WHY DOESN'T IT FIT?!
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:28 am
by DTMAce
Are you using the A/C parts under the mount? I think you have to use some of the pieces that hold the pump on with it, if I recall.
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:32 am
by 3X00-Modified
Yeah I also realized I was holding it with the wrong face facing out... Two more min of thinking and I saw what I was missing, and yeah you need the original 3x00 ac bolts and spacer, good thing I had a spare set.
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:26 am
by 13's or bust
jeez jon, imma save some money and ship you my car lol, i want a motor like this. amazing color choice nd the chevy sign on the valve covers really sets it all off. i wanna see it in the car..nd a idle vid. is his cam choice gonna make it lope or should i say noticeable at a stoplight?
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:35 pm
by 3X00-Modified
slight lope... not a lot and it will go away quick with rpm... I think around 1200+ it idles smooth, at least my old red car did with similar duration on the cam, but down low at 800 or 700 idle it was there.
Re: Roberts 89GT Engine build.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:33 pm
by scd88ga
Robert 89gt wrote:
I think the 94 bracket would work i just worried about it lining up.
But it's should be fine Superdave said either would work.
But he likes the steel better so there you go brett.
You win stop talking about it.lol
I was just trying to alleviate worry about it lining up and attempting to put a stop to any false rumors about it not being a perfect direct bolt-on. I don't know who Superdave is, but good for him! lol I think you tried calling me earlier, I was busy...

Ok, I'll shut up now! lololol
Jon, if you want to ignore my posts that's fine, the build looks great so far!