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nocutt, is that with auto transmission or wet engine?

Norm

TurboGTU AFAIK my 3100 has an iron pan...

Norm: 3400 heads/intake will flow really good, and bolt up to a gen2 lower which means you can still use your cam (no 3x00 block cams avalible) and you can still use your exsisting computer... I'd say you'd have a pretty good bang for your buck vs getting a new computer and/or 3800... I'd say that's good path to take to get a better improvment without starting over from scratch and doing more fabbing mounts/ new computer..

BTW the 3x00 have aluminum heads, and the 3800 s/c has Iron... Aluminum is good for heatsinking = more boost..  I'd still do lower compression pistons though than stock...

You can then sell your other intakes/parts..

Norm those numbers are dry engine wt...without the tranny, not bad if you ask me for the extra displacement...

IssacHayes...
Aluminum is very good...weight saving and all...however when it comes to boost...iron is where is at  

Regardless what ever engine you choose...I will still campaign untaural aspiration to be added to the mix; one way or the other...you know you cannot go back  

I thought all 3100/3400 engines had aluminum pans.

(nocutt @ Oct. 20 2005,17:36)Q
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EAluminum is very good...weight saving and all...however when it comes to boost...iron is where is at ÂÂÂ
Agreed!

Absolutely.

(IsaacHayes @ Oct. 20 2005,19:03)Q
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Enew computer..

BTW the 3x00 have aluminum heads, and the 3800 s/c has Iron... Aluminum is good for heatsinking = more boost..  I'd still do lower compression pistons though than stock...
Alloy warps under big heat/stress...  You wouldn't want to use it for a lot of boost.

You can still use the stock ECM with a 3400 full swap or just 3400 head swap.  Injectors are the main thing to think about.  However, he is most likely going to use a piggy/stand alone system so it really wouldn't matter for the ECM.

3400 has an aluminum pan, and an aftermarket cam.

Stage 1 and 2 cams, for both NA and Boosted applications.

www.milzymotorsports.com

Hmm. I agree iron is more durable, but I've heard a lot of l67 guys wanting aluminum heads to help reduce KR... I guess it just depends on how much boost you really want to do...

bone: My pan is painted and I hit a huge muffler at speed once and dragged it. I looked at the pan and it's hardly hurt... I guess it's a tough/think aluminum!? Hmm news to me.

Speaking of news, when did the aftermarket cam come out? Are these re-grinds or custom from billet blanks?

Think this covers everything we talked about:

Gen2 bottom/Gen3 upper - keep Crane 2030 cam and F.A.S.T. ECU

Gen3 bottom and top – software?  $1500 for H/C?

3500 – aftermarket? software?

3900 – aftermarket? software?

3.8 – F.A.S.T. ECU

3800  - HP tuners software, security and other computers(BCM?) $1500 H/C?


Let me know of other combos and I'll update.

Norm

The 3500 I have seen 1-2 so far on ebay.  The 3900, good luck.   It will be another 6-12 months before you see them at all on ebay.

I am a 60 degree kinda guy.  So since you have the means and the standalone, I say do a cammed/boosted 3400 or a boosted 3500.

I think that covers it. As long as you have boost along with whatever option  
The 3500 you can put on the 3400 intakes. I'm not sure if the 3500 has room for a PS pump or even has one (magnasteer crap), and the intake man looks different. Not sure if it flows better than 3400 intake though..?

(IsaacHayes @ Oct. 22 2005,18:12)Q
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EI think that covers it. As long as you have boost along with whatever option ÂÂÂ
The 3500 you can put on the 3400 intakes. I'm not sure if the 3500 has room for a PS pump or even has one (magnasteer crap), and the intake man looks different. Not sure if it flows better than 3400 intake though..?
The 3500 intakes are an upgrade.   A member on the 60 degree board with a 13 sec NA Sunbird the intake swap onto a 3400 top end.

Norm, does the F.A.S.T not have a way to setup the a crank trigger or anything?  If so you should technically be able to run any engine with it, just need the timing reference. I know that is how the Haltech is, you can run pretty much any engine.  Hell, someone has even found a way to run a 3-Rotor Rotary engine, which from what I understand is a very difficult engine to run without the correct software.  So basically as long as you can get a reference for timing, you could get the engine to run, just have to toy with the settings and eventually you will get it right.  Just find a way to get a timing mark on the pulley for a timing light and setup the software to where it reads the same timing as the actually timing and you are good to go.

Oh and Ribz, his car is a pretty in depth 3.x/3x00 hybrid, Colin's car is very bad *** indeed

I am not sure if my copy is adaptable as it is was released before(2000) the Windows version (mine is DOS OS and was better than the early Windows version of F.A.S.T.)  of the Accel DFI and others.

F.A.S.T. does have crank trigger applications for LSX motors as do others now.  It can run anything without electronic TB, VVT, and newer CAN operating systems.

Since this not a show and probably not make it on the cover of Chevy or GHTP magazines, I am trying to keep the costs down.  But still have a quick sleeper.  

Norm

(z284pwr @ Oct. 23 2005,00:03)Q
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EOh and Ribz, his car is a pretty in depth 3.x/3x00 hybrid, Colin's car is very bad *** indeed
Duh!   I had mentioned it was a swap onto a gen 3 top end, I know its a Hybrid with a lot of goodies but that info wasnt very pertenant since we were talking about the 3500 intake specifically