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My gtz has the same crack in the front bumper... And was as dirty if not worse. Plus rust... Is the manual on a 3.1 I want to make a trans swap from my slush box 3 speed.

Yes you can mate a manual to a 3.1L. Have fun finding one though. That's the trick.

Chad91GTZ wrote:Its your water pump. I promise. There is this thing called harmonic transfer. It SOUNDS like its inside your timing chain. But its not.

The only part of the water pump thats outside the timing cover is the impeller. The BEARING is inside the cover, on a spline, on a gear (gear has its own bearing, that isn't available to be replaced), thats on the timing chain. When the race falls apart, it causes that rattle. Ive had this on not less than two separate Quads. Either way. That cover is coming off.

Just look back there, I bet the shaft on the pump going into the timing cover is able to be flopped around by hand almost.


Mike, when is the last time you listened to a quad with a bad tensioner? Because they don't make a rattle, the make a horrible slapping piston meets valve type noise. lol There isn't much to "fail" on the early style tensionier, its a spring and a plunger. They don't really wear out, but they do get gummed up.

Wow, wtf ever man. You must be right. Forget I said anything or that I was ASKED. /sarcasm

I seriously doubt it's the water pump. But hey, I guess all we can do is find out. The last time I "heard a bad tensioner"? Seriously? Plenty, and the "rattle" isn't the tensioner because it went bad, it's the CHAIN rattling.

And the WHOLE water pump is OUTSIDE the damn motor and timing cover with the exception of the SHAFT. Period. Water pump housing, water pump impeller, the whole nine yards. I've torn enough of these motors apart to know. The ONLY part that protrudes wso into the timing area is the splined shaft drive.

But keep debating this if you wish. Just take it to PM's or a different thread. THIS thread is about MY car, not a fucking water pump debate.

Your water pump is bad too.

Ok, little updated. Alternator crap the bed in grand fashion today. Was playing on the I40 going to Wally World ,cruising around 120mph and got off on my ramp. Halfway down the ramp, almost like a jolt, all gauges flickered just a bit, power cut for a brief second then all was back. Seemed ok, but was weirding me out, so I got to the ramp stop sign , killed the engine and went to do a restart to reset everything.

Ennnnhhhh..... Wrong answer. Not so much as a click. Thought, oh great, now what. In giving her a quick once over under the hood, everything SEEMED ok, but I knew it wasn't. Was leaning towards having blown a fusible link when it hit me. I've been hearing mild bearing squeal now and then out of the alternator. My little 100mph+ blast through the gears must finally have been the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak , and I must have run on the battery the last few miles to the ramp.

After a bit, a local cop came by and offered me a jump start but had no cables. I looked in my trunk and thought I didn't either. Then, right after he leaves to go get some, I found mine in the trunk. gently caress....

So, after a bit more a couple of young fellows in a Contour came by and agreed to be kind enough to give me a jumpstart. I made it ALMOST home (about 6 miles) and died again on the off ramp for my place. Walked my ass to my house, got the woman and her car and my jump pack and went back. Boosted it, drove it home.

Thank god I've got a retarded amount of Quad parts laying around my house,lol. After going through several of my alternators to find a good one, I put one in her and she seems to be better again. Aside from doing the annoying "idle relearn" because of a dead/disconnected battery for so long. That will work itself out. Only does it for about 15 seconds. In fact I think it's already done with it. Only did it the first few starts.

So , I will have to bite the bullet I think and order a new lifetime alternator. It was definitely the alt as my charge gauge was DEEP in the red and now it's back where it should be, thx to the "new" alt.

It's always some fucking thing....

Long post, short story.

Chad91GTZ wrote:Your water pump is bad too.

Just want to let you know, you're still my boy Chad.

Not to disagree, just to add a off topic story. My dads 2.3 Quad started making noise and I thought it was the timing chain(so did his shop). Weep hole started leaking later. The funny part was that I had just read all this here.

Anyway I came here looking for an update SGR. What's going on with the Quasar?

That's funny Mike. The other week on the way to Pats house,on the way to Iola, noticed my ABS light kick on.

Figured I'd picked uo some metal shavings on a wheel sensor, and resolved to wipe them off when I got home. Then I noticed my volts low, but holding.

Worried, I figured my alternator was taking a duece, but it was holding steady at 10 volts.

Pulled into pats house and rode his Grand Am to the swap meet. Bitching the while time about my alternator driving him nuts. I passed on several good deals for new alternators at the swap meet, simply because I didn't want to carry it around all day.

Finally end of day comes,walk back by vendor who had the altrnator for sale, he's gone. Lol packed up and headed home.

I decide to camp out not wanting to drive with the lights on all the way home. Got up the next morning, about to head out to auto zone to have them test the alternator Car won't start, pop the hood. First thing staring at me is a shredded alt belt. Lol. It's still there, but only one rib was left.

Drive to autozone, get a new belt free, because I had money on my auto boner rewards card.

Go to put the belt on and it starts pouring. We move pats cars and have the neighbor help us push the Quasar in the garage. Get the belt on, rolled the car out and fired her up.

Everything is fine for almost 5 minutes, then Pat yells crap SHUT IT DOWN. New belt is shredding and flopping around under the hood.

I turn the key off,


Car stays running.

Pat yells again to shut it down,

I show him keys and shrug. I put my foot on the brake and car clonks out. I look at my new belt, now missing a single rib. I removed the loose debris, and said frock it I'm going home. Drove it for a week like that before I got another new belt.

You know what's funny? My ABS light came on just before the ramp and everything going to hell. It's randomly come on before too right about when the alternator was acting weak. Must be an early warning sign for Quad alternators when they're about to crap the bed........... I've checked my ABS out and its fine. So that must be what's up. Apparently an early warning sign. Maybe I'll just put a 12 guage shell in the block and call it a day...... This car is gonna piss me off one time too many one day ,lol.......

yeah if the ABS system doesnt have enough volts it will error out so that it doesnt geek out due to low volts and put you in the wall. >:D

Makes sense. I know my ABS is working GREAT too, because I had a chance to test it the other day at 45mph when the jackass in front of me slammed on his brakes for no apparent reason and I got a chance to stand on my brakes harder than I ever have.

Was a pucker fest for a minute,lol.

DEFINITELY doing the Vette brakes and rear Neon's on this car....

btw the water pump/timing chainj are both bad, being fixed as we speak.. hopefully

SuzukiGhostRider wrote: DEFINITELY doing the Vette brakes and rear Neon's on this car....

Your pucker will smack the windshield when you do...

If you ask me the N-body brakes are sufficient and weigh significantly less than the F-body rotors so it wont kill your acceleration as much.

ABS light coming on with low volts is normal. Since the weather up here has even been usually hot, mine acts up every day, due to the low charge state I have on my alternator. Looks like I need another one.

You know SGR, there is a way to see if your noise is coming from the timing chain or the water pump, real simple test.

Pull the belt and fire it up for a couple of seconds, to see if the noise quits. If so, water pump, if not timing chain. Simple.

DTMAce wrote:ABS light coming on with low volts is normal. Since the weather up here has even been usually hot, mine acts up every day, due to the low charge state I have on my alternator. Looks like I need another one.

You know SGR, there is a way to see if your noise is coming from the timing chain or the water pump, real simple test.

Pull the belt and fire it up for a couple of seconds, to see if the noise quits. If so, water pump, if not timing chain. Simple.

Quad water pump is driven by the timing chain...

Fail... LOL