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Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:16 pm**

3X00-Modified wrote:Ok let me clarify myself here since once again I'm not understood.

In the beginning of this thread you asked about a 3100 from a 03 Malibu working in your car

found a 3100 from a 2003 malibu,what am i looking at to see if it will work in my 95z26.TIA.

it's got 123,557 miles on it he is asking 650.00 can hear run
You received a reply on why on earth you were thinking of using a motor of that mileage.

Why in heavens name would you pay that much money for a motor with that mileage?

Might be worth a couple hundred bucks TOPS!

http://www.car-parts.com

Have a look there. Hell 3400's and 3500's can be had for as little as $400 at times.
ALONG with a link to the same site that 3400Beretta just used to find the "motor" that got your attention.

I gave you info about motor differences gasket differences and power differences... And two of the only major changes necessary to make a 3400 work in a Beretta... Timing cover and maybe ream the AC compressor hole. Other than that, Just use all of your sensors and accessories on the new motor, it's been said tons of times on this board.

You then come back with a 3100 from a 94 GP with 180k on the clock.

we tell you the downfalls of the pre 2000 3100's and how they really lack power due to the older design, and ONCE again question why finding something with god awful mileage on it. You also get praised for not ditching the car...

You come back with
Giving up and selling the car????? Dude! I am so there.I just want something turn key.My Z26 was the worst car purchase i have ever made.I mean granted it was only 500 bucks,but it has been down for 7 years.I really would like to have it running before it starts getting to cold to work on it. I am in Tennessee so the weather stays nice until about november,then by middle of february it is getting warmer all over again.going up to 95 degrees again today. ECT...
I interpret this as a statement of I just want the damn car on the road and I dont care about getting the larger 3400 or not, I juts want a turn key and run fix.

You never intially stated what you want and you contradict yourself quite often... You "Care" about this car but you always throw some dig in there to talk about how you just want to replace it with a Honda.

SO bottom line... What do you want?

Do you care enough to take the "gamble" as you think it is, and buy a $500 3400 from a yard that has to ship it to you and has the potential to last much longer due to low miles? Or are you THAT afraid that they will screw you over so its worth MORE to you to just get a local high mileage motor for the same price and slap it in and be done with it since in the end you really don't care just as long as it runs now?

THAT'S what I'm trying to figure out. We've shown you all the resources just used to find the cheaper motor, it just seems like your not digging far enough due to lack of interest, HENCE why I think/believe you really don't care and just want it done.

We are trying to help but every answer we give seems to be just not enough, or too "risky" for you. Maybe if we understand the end result you want then we can adjust our input to fit your desired result.

All I wanted to know was if a 2003 3100 would work in my 95 Z26.what mods if any would have to be done.
I also wanted to know if 123,000 miles for 650 bucks was a deal or not.

Then I get my head ripped off and handed to me,Why in hell would you pay 650 for a high milage engine.Listen for a 2003,123,000 miles is not that many miles,do the math.it is only 17,500 miles a year.down here in Tn that mileage is average.actually 20,000 to 25,000 a year is average down here.

My Jeep had 191,000 miles on it when I bought it 10 years ago,has 252,000 today.so as you can see I don't put killer miles on my cars.60,000 in 10 years.

123,000 is low milage to me for a 7 year old engine.
also don't forget you are taking a total strangers word that the mileage he is stating is correct,you have no proof,I have the odometer to look at when I hear an engine run.

you have also dealt with car-part. I have not.I didn't even know that site existed until this post.
Thanks to all who have replyed to my post,If I knew I was going to be treated like this I would have never registered.

Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:51 pm**

Ok, 17,500 a year or not 123k as we noted for $650 is pricey. That's ALL we were trying to tell you.

You also seem to be so worried that every junk yard is going to be out to screw you. As 3400Beretta noted these yards that sell stuff on car-part.com have a reputation to keep because they rely on good feedback and references to sell more parts.

If a 123k mile motor is fine for you the OK, that's fine but you ASKED if it was a good deal and to be quite honest it's not. That's all we were trying to say. You also keep slamming GM for your Z to not even make it over 100k, but now your ok to buy a motor with 123k, or even a 94 with 180 on it?

This thread is obviously just a big confusion fest where no one knows who's talking to who or about what.

Lets sum it up

$650 for a 123k motor, Not a good deal since motors with less miles can be purchased for less money, AND come with a warranty.

3400 or 3100 large port in a 95 beretta requires some mods but not many, clearance timing cover for motor mount, ensure AC compressor lower bolt will line up, switch wiring for temp sensor to a 3 wire sensor, and then use the rest of your stock sensors on the motor, crank, cam, injectors, map, and so on. Keep 3400 TB with the motor. Also use all of the Beretta accessories and mount bolts and brackets. www.3400swap.com for a guide. Its for a Grand AM but its still very similar.

And lastly www.car-part.com GOOD PLACE to buy engines from. JY's on here are NOT out to screw you, especially if they are offering a warranty, if they are NOT then I would assume they could be lying, but if there is one just send it back if your not satisfied.

You registered, you asked questions, we answered them and gave other options, I'm aware that you did not know about car-part till you registered here and that's why we told you about it.

Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:58 pm**

Easy man. We were looking out for you and trying to get you the best that you could have. Not another problem engine. And not all engines are the same. Some last longer than others. I lost my 90GT Beretta with 213K when a guy ran a red light. I had an Impala that went to 295K before I lost control in the rain. That 305 was all stock, even the timing chain.

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:12 am**

3X00-Modified wrote:Ok, 17,500 a year or not 123k as we noted for $650 is pricey. That's ALL we were trying to tell you.

You also seem to be so worried that every junk yard is going to be out to screw you. As 3400Beretta noted these yards that sell stuff on car-part.com have a reputation to keep because they rely on good feedback and references to sell more parts.

If a 123k mile motor is fine for you the OK, that's fine but you ASKED if it was a good deal and to be quite honest it's not. That's all we were trying to say. You also keep slamming GM for your Z to not even make it over 100k, but now your ok to buy a motor with 123k, or even a 94 with 180 on it?

This thread is obviously just a big confusion fest where no one knows who's talking to who or about what.

Lets sum it up

$650 for a 123k motor, Not a good deal since motors with less miles can be purchased for less money, AND come with a warranty.

3400 or 3100 large port in a 95 beretta requires some mods but not many, clearance timing cover for motor mount, ensure AC compressor lower bolt will line up, switch wiring for temp sensor to a 3 wire sensor, and then use the rest of your stock sensors on the motor, crank, cam, injectors, map, and so on. Keep 3400 TB with the motor. Also use all of the Beretta accessories and mount bolts and brackets. http://www.3400swap.com for a guide. Its for a Grand AM but its still very similar.

And lastly http://www.car-part.com GOOD PLACE to buy engines from. JY's on here are NOT out to screw you, especially if they are offering a warranty, if they are NOT then I would assume they could be lying, but if there is one just send it back if your not satisfied.

You registered, you asked questions, we answered them and gave other options, I'm aware that you did not know about car-part till you registered here and that's why we told you about it.

123k as we noted for $650 is pricey.
That's what I wanted to know,Is this a deal or not? The yard I asked to locate a 3100 told me 100.00 with a 30 day warr.but that I would assume would be from a 94-95 Gm car that I would not be able to hear run,and God knows how many miles are on engine.

The JY I deal with close to me is small,I ask him if I can go look around and he says have a ball.we get to talking and he told me to give him some time to find a good one.

I found a 94 grand prix 3100 for 400 that has 180,000 miles runs good,looks clean.
I asked what junk price for the whole car was,never heard a response.hell if I could get the whole car for 600 why would i pay 400 just for the high mileage engine.
Just by looking at the car itself then poping the hood and hearing it run,I could see how well maintained that car was.hell even the engine oil was clean.

but now your ok to buy a motor with 123k, or even a 94 with 180 on it?
I have read that 3100's or 3400's with that kind of mileage prolly already had there gaskets done.I have already heard that those gaskets can give up the ghost as early as 60,000.maybe even earlier.yes I did my gaskets and I seen what I pulled out in pieces.are those gaskets plastic? have not seen the NEW design.
have also read about all the class action lawsuits against GM.anyone on here get reimbersed?

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:50 am**

Yes those gaskets are plastic... There is nothing wrong with them being plastic, its the fact that they did not include anything to prevent over tightening and cracking of them during install. The newer gaskets are still plastic, from GM, but they contain two metal plugs on either side of the lower intake bolt holes. You can also get FelPro's version which is fully metal with rubber surrounding it so they will never fall apart. The only downfall with those is on a 3500 the ports are slightly smaller, so if someone has spent time to port the heads and lower intake you now have a big lip when those are used.

I'm currently running GM 3500 LIMG's and don't have issues... Granted the motor is not run often and gets run through every year, so it's not like the typical daily driver.

As you noted, yes a higher mileage motor could have had the gaskets replaced, but when is the question... right when signs appeared for the leak? Or maybe 30k after when they noticed an abundance of coolant in the oil... obviously the latter would be more damaging to the motor and would result in it not lasting much longer.

Either way you look at it your best bet is finding a lower mile motor, simply so your buck goes further for one, and also to catch the issue and replace those gaskets before it happens if you are buying a pre 03 motor. I even want to say my 05 that I took apart had exactly the same gaskets as the rest, but I'm not 100% positive on that one. I'd have to find pictures of it again. One other thing to remember is yes the gaskets may have been replaced with new ones on those other engines, but who's to say they didn't use exactly the same gaskets that failed in the beginning and now you just have another ticking bomb.

The best thing to do on any motor you do decide to buy it to at least re-gasket it from the Lower intake up... I even opted to do the oil pan on one of mine just to be sure that was good.

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:09 pm**

hey 3X00 Thanks for the input,The site won't let me Quote you,keeps coming up server not found.Any idea's? Don't know if it is the site or you blocking me.

I had to buy the same gasket for mine,the NEW version was not out yet.

If you want to delete this whole post,that's fine.It's just taking up room.

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:14 pm**

The post is fine, I'm also not blocking anyone, so it may just be a slight error on the boards end.

I'm getting some connection timeout's so I think it may be server related.

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:42 pm**

ok,Thank You

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:11 am**

This is what I am finding in my area.

1999 pontiac firebird engine V6 engine 3.8L w 198000 miles ..550.00.

I know a 3.8 is to many mods

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:41 am**

How far are you willing to travel?

Car Shoppe in Fayetteville has a TON low mile 3400's listed... They all say call for price though so its hard to tell what they want for one.

Tony's Auto Sales & Salvage in Crossville also has one with 69k for $650 That's a pretty respectable price to not have to get it shipped to you. Its 25 miles from your zip code.

I searched for a 05 Monte Carlo 3.4l Engine In Tennessee with your zip

http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi? ... userPage=1

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:09 pm**

OK,here's the deal,talked to a mechanic yesterday,he had a 3100 outside his shop out of a 99 malibu,said they pulled it because car was hit in front and bad tranny.I asked if it ran,he said yes. and was for sale,he told me to speak with the owner,he would prolly let it go for a COUPLE hundred bucks.showed me the malibu it came out of.don't know TRUE miles.

I asked him about the flywheels cracking,He told me he replaced 3 in the last year,said sounds JUST like rod knock,told me to bring car to him and he has a camera he can send up through the starter and see if mine is cracked.told me very common problem.

What do you guys think?

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:10 pm**

3X00-Modified wrote:How far are you willing to travel?

Car Shoppe in Fayetteville has a TON low mile 3400's listed... They all say call for price though so its hard to tell what they want for one.

Tony's Auto Sales & Salvage in Crossville also has one with 69k for $650 That's a pretty respectable price to not have to get it shipped to you. Its 25 miles from your zip code.

I searched for a 05 Monte Carlo 3.4l Engine In Tennessee with your zip

http://car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi? ... userPage=1

Thanks for the info.

Posted: **Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:06 am**

jeff540 wrote:What do you guys think?

Never heard of a flywheel cracking... Its just a thin flex plate anyways. Also with you saying the antifreeze condition got out of hand then there is a good chance one of the rod bearings is bad. A 99 is the large bore 3100 correct? If so that's not a horrible motor to get, but just the overall age alone is pointing at it having possibly 180k+ on it. Also who knows how long that motor went before the gaskets got fixed properly.

Posted: **Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:40 am**

the large port started in 00 Jon. In 99 they had a small port that looked like a large port.

Posted: **Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:47 am**

wicked-irocz wrote:the large port started in 00 Jon. In 99 they had a small port that looked like a large port.

DURRR, that's right... its only the 3400 that existed in large port form before 2000....

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