The truth once and for all
Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:11 pm
Quote (spacecadetz26 @ Dec. 24 2004,09:29)Quote (MAJ28 @ Dec. 24 2004,10:18)I'm going to offer an additional objective opinion, but let me start by saying Erich and I have had a previous disagreement, and I'm not denying that I carry some blame, and do not wish to discuss that.
About this, I heard all about this swap from 2 people that were directly involved. ÂÂÂ
Jamie:
     From my perspective you should have asked around privatelly about Erich and Steph's past, it seems to me that they sometimes screw up majorly and sometimes (less often [in my estimation]) do a great job.  I do not deny that Steph and Erich have some unique abilities, but I will also add that unfortunatelly a large portion of people on bnet should not be trusted right away.  Also, Jamie, you are definatelly smart enough to know that things seldom goes as planned and from your time on this board, you should know that's swaps often take longer then expected (and Erich should have also been of this opinion.)  I know you guys didn't majorly touch on this, but it appears you had MAJOR time constraints, and you are BOTH at fault for not realizing these constraints and the associated difficulties. ÂÂÂ
From my own experience, (unfortunatelly) I know that you must obtain and CHECK all parts prior to an install.  You must admit someone at your home, or you with any kind of research online should have been able to figure out if you had the right struts.  I know it is a highly unlikely to recieve the wrong struts and often people do not check, but under these kind of (time)constraints that should have not been an issue.
I feel the only major fault on you is the fact that you relied on the organizational skills of another person which you do not know.
Erich:
    Like I said, you know for a fact that swaps often have problems that involve time constraints, and should have not planned a job in a time span as such.  Also, you often (or previously) sell parts on this board, and often have parts on hand that you are saving or planning on selling in the future, could you have not brought or purchased additional parts just in case?  Furthermore, with your experiences, the experience that Jamie was paying for, were you unable to identify a scuffed plate?  Were you not aware of the problem involved with such a plate? ÂÂÂ
   I agree, about the working conditions, wether cars were literally "wizzing" by or not, it's far from an ideal working area.  Jamie should have maybe invested $30 (or whatever it costs) for AAA and got it towed to a more acceptable location. ÂÂÂ
    Also, you didn't really get into this, but I feel that you got upset about Jamie's swap and ripped his friend off, and that is certainly understandable when people get upset, bottom line:  wrong thing to do.  A real man with integrity would send Jamie's friend the money.
»Jason
its my understanding that you still do not know the circumstances of this. It was not planned to be 100% operational at the end of the day. and that the lack of communication is at fault. As I recall this car was not just broken at the time we arrived to work on it. It had been sitting a few months. So whether or not we had a deadline was not really an issue. Plates and dishes i have no idea what your talking about...
facts, what facts, you dont get yours straight. The car started showing signs of a bad TCS in mid to late January. I got it back from the dealer when they ripped apart the tranny in mid to late Febuary, we began swap talking then. The car sat for about two weeks before you arrived first week of March. Again lets not make things up. The car only started sitting for months after you left it and all the junkyard runs and time constraints with work forced Chazz and or Woody to let it sit.
About this, I heard all about this swap from 2 people that were directly involved. ÂÂÂ
Jamie:
     From my perspective you should have asked around privatelly about Erich and Steph's past, it seems to me that they sometimes screw up majorly and sometimes (less often [in my estimation]) do a great job.  I do not deny that Steph and Erich have some unique abilities, but I will also add that unfortunatelly a large portion of people on bnet should not be trusted right away.  Also, Jamie, you are definatelly smart enough to know that things seldom goes as planned and from your time on this board, you should know that's swaps often take longer then expected (and Erich should have also been of this opinion.)  I know you guys didn't majorly touch on this, but it appears you had MAJOR time constraints, and you are BOTH at fault for not realizing these constraints and the associated difficulties. ÂÂÂ
From my own experience, (unfortunatelly) I know that you must obtain and CHECK all parts prior to an install.  You must admit someone at your home, or you with any kind of research online should have been able to figure out if you had the right struts.  I know it is a highly unlikely to recieve the wrong struts and often people do not check, but under these kind of (time)constraints that should have not been an issue.
I feel the only major fault on you is the fact that you relied on the organizational skills of another person which you do not know.
Erich:
    Like I said, you know for a fact that swaps often have problems that involve time constraints, and should have not planned a job in a time span as such.  Also, you often (or previously) sell parts on this board, and often have parts on hand that you are saving or planning on selling in the future, could you have not brought or purchased additional parts just in case?  Furthermore, with your experiences, the experience that Jamie was paying for, were you unable to identify a scuffed plate?  Were you not aware of the problem involved with such a plate? ÂÂÂ
   I agree, about the working conditions, wether cars were literally "wizzing" by or not, it's far from an ideal working area.  Jamie should have maybe invested $30 (or whatever it costs) for AAA and got it towed to a more acceptable location. ÂÂÂ
    Also, you didn't really get into this, but I feel that you got upset about Jamie's swap and ripped his friend off, and that is certainly understandable when people get upset, bottom line:  wrong thing to do.  A real man with integrity would send Jamie's friend the money.
»Jason
its my understanding that you still do not know the circumstances of this. It was not planned to be 100% operational at the end of the day. and that the lack of communication is at fault. As I recall this car was not just broken at the time we arrived to work on it. It had been sitting a few months. So whether or not we had a deadline was not really an issue. Plates and dishes i have no idea what your talking about...
facts, what facts, you dont get yours straight. The car started showing signs of a bad TCS in mid to late January. I got it back from the dealer when they ripped apart the tranny in mid to late Febuary, we began swap talking then. The car sat for about two weeks before you arrived first week of March. Again lets not make things up. The car only started sitting for months after you left it and all the junkyard runs and time constraints with work forced Chazz and or Woody to let it sit.