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CLUTCH ISSUES? Please help!

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:51 pm
by DOHC_tuner
Well im 92.346999999% sure the clucth gave out on my GTZ.

BUT....you know how things go and well mechanics can make up things. But i just want to make sure its not my transmission.

Today I begin noticing the clutch is getting "sticky" if you will. It wont pop back up as normal.

So after work i pull out the driveway and bam.....i get a loud screech. Everytime i press the clutch i hear this loud screech. If i dont press the clutch in i still hear a noise but not as loud.

So i proceed to find a place to stop then once I put it in neutral it wont go back into gear. The clutch is in its normal position however when i press it in, it wont go all the way in. It seems to stop in the middle as if something is blocking it from traveling all the way down.

I have no experience with transmission and clutchs so this will be a learning experience for me.

I planned to do the work myself but the tow truck knew a shop owner that offered to do the work for 275. I just need to provide the parts.

One hell of a Halloween :(

Re: CLUTCH ISSUES? Please help!

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:56 am
by Cliff8928
It's either the clutch pressure plate itself or something with the slave cylinder, clutch fork or throw out bearing.

What happens if you start it in gear?

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:11 am
by woody90gtz
Yup. I had a similar issue when I killed a TOB and fork.

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:17 am
by 3X00-Modified
First thing to check is will the trans shift with the engine off... if so then odds are it is a fork/bearing or pressure plate issue.

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:06 am
by DOHC_tuner
I am not able to start the car. The clutch wont go all the way down. It stops midway. But wierd thing is and this has always been is i am able to move the shifter in all gears without having to press the clutch in. But again its been that way for a while.

So they are charging 275 for labor to replace the clutch, now again i have no experience with transmissions and clutch systems. Only Engines.

So a new clutch kit includes a throw out bearing and pressure plate right? Slave cylinder?

Now what about clutch options. The shop manager told me to go to Pep Boys and get the Luke clutch kit.

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:07 am
by 3X00-Modified
You may have a damaged fork as well though and that's going to be the hard part to find/replace IIRC... The kit's don't come with a slave cylinder either.

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:02 pm
by DOHC_tuner
Please explain more about a damaged fork.

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:22 pm
by DOHC_tuner
I just confirmed with a few friends....mine should be hydralic....so no fork.

Re: CLUTCH ISSUES? Please help!

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:30 pm
by Cliff8928
There's a fork, it's actuated hydraulically… Unless you have a newer (1993+) trans.

That style fork is actually available aftermarket for $20-$30

Re: CLUTCH ISSUES? Please help!

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:43 pm
by DOHC_tuner
Crap....i was hoping i was in the clear with that issue.

I called the shop and ask if they are going to pull the engine or tranny. They said Tranny.

I never let a mechanic work on my car but since my other car is down and this is my current DD, i need it back up and running. Otherwise i would do the work myself. I know i can pull the engine out as for the clutch work i would ask a friend for help.

But i need the car done asap, so i went with the shop.

A honest mechanic is hard to find.

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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:42 am
by DOHC_tuner
Mechanic called. Said the fork will need to be replaced. Pressure plate blew up, throw out bearing too.

Re: CLUTCH ISSUES? Please help!

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:13 pm
by Rettax3
Honestly, I understand your desire to want to work on it yourself, but $275 labor is a killer deal for you. I would agree that the LUK clutch will probably be good for you -I've had good luck with them in one or two cars, and I've heard from friends that they are consistent and last well. Too bad about the fork though... Personally, I would rather have the possible fork issues (I've NEVER had a problem with one myself) and have an external slave-cylinder, like your car, than be stuck with an inaccessible internal concentric slave, which I HAVE had problems with, and have worked on several cars/trucks that had problems with them...
The clutch-disc from my GTU did not like hauling another car across the country...
The clutch-disc from my GTU did not like hauling another car across the country...
The clutch friction-disc from my GTU exploded on me a year and a half ago. The car had performed almost flawlessly for years before then as a DD, except that the 3800 SC would cause the clutch to slip under WOT in fourth or fifth gear, sometimes in third. I was pulling a second car when it died, and the GTU was heavily loaded too. I have no one but myself to blame for it, but the timing was... terrible. I did minor damage to the pressure-plate, and luckily didn't hurt anything else. I ended up going with a Stage 3 ceramic puck-clutch, but my car is already pushing the envelope for even this clutch so far as estimated HP, so it was worth the extra $$ for me. If LUK was rated for ~300 ft-lbs of torque and ~275 HP, I would have gone with them for their price...

Rock Auto sells the fork for your car, RHINOPAC / WORLD CAR Part # CF136, for under $20 (plus S&H, of course). Good luck.

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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:01 pm
by DOHC_tuner
Thanks man i gotta call up rock out asap, mechanic said he "might" be able to get one used for 80.

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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:13 pm
by Asylum
Don't even think about "used" clutch parts!!

C'mon Man!!

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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:28 pm
by Rettax3
Asylum wrote:Don't even think about "used" clutch parts!!

C'mon Man!!
The fork in the Muncie 282 is really more of a transmission component than a 'clutch part', like a more traditional transmission has. I know a few people here have had some serious issues with them, but they are, for the most part, not really a wear item. It isn't like the clutch-fork on an old mechanical-linkage clutch with a pivot-ball... These just don't wear out that often. But, certainly for $20 new... No question!