3.1 bucking at low rpms
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:27 pm
I'm having a difficult to diagnose problem on my 3.1MPFI.
I recently did the following:
-plenum cleaning and new upper intake gaskets
-new front valve cover gasket to fix oil leak
-that paper gasket at the water pump outlet
-EGR and EGR intake passage cleaning and new gaskets
-IAC cleaning
-TB cleaning and new gasket
-the oil pump drive shaft O-ring to fix oil leak (with new brown o-ring and ultra copper around the top of the flange, seems to be working so far)
-TB coolant bypass
-thermostat and new seal
-new Rapidfire plugs (all 6)
-new O2 sensor
-injector resistance tests (all 6 ohmed out at 12.5)
-coil resistance test (all 3 ohmed out at 5700-5800)
I did not do the plug wires, the autozone duralasts i got wouldn't snap onto the coil terminals, they kept slipping off, so i put the old wireset back on for now.
I noticed that at the front and rear of the plenum, there is like a 1/2" gap between the bottom of the plenum and the top of the lower intake. I think it was there before, like it looks like its not sealed at that point but it really is? Am I right about that? Do you know what I mean? I can see the gasket on each side. Is this normal? A few of the rubber boots on the plenum bolts ripped some, i managed to seal them all, but don't know if this could be a vacuum leak source.
Anyway, my problem is this. When in top gear (3rd with my 3t40 tranny) and when the lockup is engaged, when i am barely gassing it at all and am at or below 2000rpms, i get a bucking. Its not a severe buck, but definitely noticable. The bucking ONLY occurs under the above described conditions. The idle is smooth, acceleration is good, gas mileage is very good (26.4mpg average even before I did all this work). Like when I'm cruising along at around 50mph, at 1800-1900rpm barely even touching the gas in top gear, is when the bucking occurs. Its not even really a hesitation or a noticable fluctuation in rpms, just a
bucking. The bucking was worse before i did all this work, and is better now, but its still there.
A few things, the old PCV grommet seemed worn in that the valve wasn't held securely in it, i could lift it up a bit with my fingers, not all the way out, but some of the way before the grommet gave resistance, and the hose was ripped a bit around the valve. Probably should have done the grommet and PCV hose right then, but I didn't (the valve itself is new). The IAC gasket was old and torn in a spot, but I reused it, should've replaced that as well. The cruise control doesn't work and the cruise control servo has a plastic inlet to accept a small vacuum line, that plastic is broken and the line running to it is disconnected. I don't know how old the plug wires are so maybe its them, but it feels like either a vacuum issue(it only occurs at low rpms/near closed throttle when engine vacuum is highest and leaks are most noticable) or a tranny issue( TB cable misadjusted? TCC?). I'm gonna get a vacuum gauge to test it, as well as a backpressure gauge to see how the exhaust is doing.
Has anyone on these forums ever had a similar type problem with a 3.1 Beretta? Any clues or leads would be great and appreciated.
~Thanks~
I recently did the following:
-plenum cleaning and new upper intake gaskets
-new front valve cover gasket to fix oil leak
-that paper gasket at the water pump outlet
-EGR and EGR intake passage cleaning and new gaskets
-IAC cleaning
-TB cleaning and new gasket
-the oil pump drive shaft O-ring to fix oil leak (with new brown o-ring and ultra copper around the top of the flange, seems to be working so far)
-TB coolant bypass
-thermostat and new seal
-new Rapidfire plugs (all 6)
-new O2 sensor
-injector resistance tests (all 6 ohmed out at 12.5)
-coil resistance test (all 3 ohmed out at 5700-5800)
I did not do the plug wires, the autozone duralasts i got wouldn't snap onto the coil terminals, they kept slipping off, so i put the old wireset back on for now.
I noticed that at the front and rear of the plenum, there is like a 1/2" gap between the bottom of the plenum and the top of the lower intake. I think it was there before, like it looks like its not sealed at that point but it really is? Am I right about that? Do you know what I mean? I can see the gasket on each side. Is this normal? A few of the rubber boots on the plenum bolts ripped some, i managed to seal them all, but don't know if this could be a vacuum leak source.
Anyway, my problem is this. When in top gear (3rd with my 3t40 tranny) and when the lockup is engaged, when i am barely gassing it at all and am at or below 2000rpms, i get a bucking. Its not a severe buck, but definitely noticable. The bucking ONLY occurs under the above described conditions. The idle is smooth, acceleration is good, gas mileage is very good (26.4mpg average even before I did all this work). Like when I'm cruising along at around 50mph, at 1800-1900rpm barely even touching the gas in top gear, is when the bucking occurs. Its not even really a hesitation or a noticable fluctuation in rpms, just a
bucking. The bucking was worse before i did all this work, and is better now, but its still there.
A few things, the old PCV grommet seemed worn in that the valve wasn't held securely in it, i could lift it up a bit with my fingers, not all the way out, but some of the way before the grommet gave resistance, and the hose was ripped a bit around the valve. Probably should have done the grommet and PCV hose right then, but I didn't (the valve itself is new). The IAC gasket was old and torn in a spot, but I reused it, should've replaced that as well. The cruise control doesn't work and the cruise control servo has a plastic inlet to accept a small vacuum line, that plastic is broken and the line running to it is disconnected. I don't know how old the plug wires are so maybe its them, but it feels like either a vacuum issue(it only occurs at low rpms/near closed throttle when engine vacuum is highest and leaks are most noticable) or a tranny issue( TB cable misadjusted? TCC?). I'm gonna get a vacuum gauge to test it, as well as a backpressure gauge to see how the exhaust is doing.
Has anyone on these forums ever had a similar type problem with a 3.1 Beretta? Any clues or leads would be great and appreciated.
~Thanks~