Car&Driver Beretta article June 1990

[Amateur]

Came across this.

[BerettaGTchick]

I wish I could have all those in a big garage behind my house

[Koots]

Very interesting article, but I can't help but wonder how a GTZ would have done...but I guess it wouldn't be "Under 13k"

[weba]

It's a bit weird how they first like the GT styling, and then in the charts, sex-appeal is only 7.. Mkay.

Clearly they didn't like how it rides (not fun), but in the C\D Test results it's the second best? Quite weird that is.

[Koots]

Car&Driver, along with other publications, tend to favor anything that isn't domestic. Even with the ZR1 Corvette, they were making excuses as to how this isn't your regular Chevy...like they haven't made unique or high performance, low volume cars before.

[88_GTU]

There's another test where they run the GT against the probe and daytona. Takes second place there. As usual it gets hammered for the terrible interior, inferior engine mounting, and lack of higher rpm.....but they like the way it looks. The GTZ has a ton of articles on it and it's in a couple comparo tests. The GTZ had the second fastest slalom time in the "Bang for your buck" test beating the Z28 and the corvette in 90. It was only beat by a nissan 300ZX Turbo. I really need to scan those articles. I did put some of them up here a while back.

J

[weba]

The drive train mounting sure is awful in this platform, and specially catastrophic in 92+.

It's like GM newer had built FWD car before and had no idea of what they are doing? Shame they never fixed it.

Engine rocking is one of the biggest reasons why my daily driver is making me crazy, and why I am looking forward to replace it...

[Koots]

There's another test where they run the GT against the probe and daytona. Takes second place there. As usual it gets hammered for the terrible interior, inferior engine mounting, and lack of higher rpm.....but they like the way it looks. The GTZ has a ton of articles on it and it's in a couple comparo tests. The GTZ had the second fastest slalom time in the "Bang for your buck" test beating the Z28 and the corvette in 90. It was only beat by a nissan 300ZX Turbo. I really need to scan those articles. I did put some of them up here a while back.

J

That's awesome! I'd love to see those articles!!

I've only got car magazines from the early 2000's to the late 00's. So i've got no site relevant content

As for the engine mounting...I'd just run some solid mounts and be done with it...but they can also overstress the unibody without proper reinforcement as well. If your set on replacing it, then I don't want to stop you.

[weba]

.I'd just run some solid mounts and be done with it...but they can also overstress the unibody without proper reinforcement as well. If your set on replacing it, then I don't want to stop you.

Wont help, I've ran the most solid mounts on whole Beretta community, and all I got was 10^ the noise and vibration but didn't cure the rocking. It's the mounting points that are the total failure, because they are Designed so the engine could rotate, very bad idea with manual transaxle. The body-to-drivetrain mount locations would have to be completely different.

[Koots]

I'm not familiar, at all, with that setup...so I was basically speaking from the "toothless hole"

That sucks that solid mounts don't work. I'm used to the RWD cars/trucks, where solid mounts can pretty much stop any non-race engine from rocking.

[GTU89]

How does a Dodge Colt have more sex appeal than, well, anything on there (Except the Sundance, lol) or any sex appeal for that matter?

I hate all the hate for American cars that people seem/seemed to have, I guess it was "trendy" to hate domestics and love imports. I guess they didn't care about performance as most of the imports were equal to, or lower than the domestics (except the Colt and Lemans, which were tied with the GTi for slowness)

I will say though, I do like the GTi and CRX's styling.

[Styluss]

"Disappointing back-road handling"

Um no, that's your driving skills...

[88_GTU]

There's another test where they run the GT against the probe and daytona. Takes second place there. As usual it gets hammered for the terrible interior, inferior engine mounting, and lack of higher rpm.....but they like the way it looks. The GTZ has a ton of articles on it and it's in a couple comparo tests. The GTZ had the second fastest slalom time in the "Bang for your buck" test beating the Z28 and the corvette in 90. It was only beat by a nissan 300ZX Turbo. I really need to scan those articles. I did put some of them up here a while back.

J

That's awesome! I'd love to see those articles!!

I've only got car magazines from the early 2000's to the late 00's. So i've got no site relevant content

As for the engine mounting...I'd just run some solid mounts and be done with it...but they can also overstress the unibody without proper reinforcement as well. If your set on replacing it, then I don't want to stop you.

I'll bump the old post. I have to get another scanner to get the others up. The "Beretta
vs Beretta" article is awesome!!!
J

[weba]

Those Colt and LeMans were also sold here but with different badges (Mitsubishi and Opel), both were cheap throwaway crap-boxes that never got any respect from anyone.

Okay there were always some weirdos that liked them, that Opel had GSI version that packed 160hp? and was a bit quicker than GTZ, but it was still crap-box that rusted away 15 years ago.

[woody90gtz]

I've never had issues with the solid mounts in mine. I don't think they move at all. No wheel hop and it puts the power to the ground nicely... Makes it a little violent on hard shifts, but isn't that part of the fun? Maybe it's because I have two torque struts rather than one like stock...but it works awesome.

I can see where they talk about the car getting a little upset on rough roads...mine doesn't soak up imperfections real well.