Popping/cracking noise when turning wheel sometimes...

[Money pit Beretta]

It's very stiff, great for the turns, but bad for a DD. I now think that Eibachs are springs for racing. I would like to have something better than stock in the turns, but with a good ride. A step up from stock and a step down from Eibachs. I didn't lower the Cav that much(1.5) and that's about as far as I want to go on the Beretta. For us it's like we get things for racing or we are stuck with stock. Shocks and struts are the same way. I complain because there is nothing else out there, I did what I did on the Cav and I have to live with it. Still, if no one asks for something different nothing will be made. One day there will be a mid level spring, the company that does it first would make alot of money. My girlfriend says that there will be no Eibachs on the Beretta. I agree, so I have to look somewhere else to get the springs I want. Even the kids on the Camaro sites think that Eibachs have too ruff of a ride. They say B&G is better for DD. We are lucky that they don't make shirts in only small and XXL. Lucky, no..... it's about demand. If they don't see a demand they won't change things.

[IsaacHayes]

MPB, FE3 and some good struts should do you well. FE3 is about as rough as I would go for comfort. FE7 might work too though, and are .5" lower than stock IIRC. But they may be even lower since they came mainly on quad4 cars which had less weight...

Jon, no, I'm not talking about the harshness. I'm talking about driving and the road dips down then comes out of it, the front bounces up and comes down and bounces again. When I had FE3/Sensitrac the front stayed perfectly level no matter what. It would not bounce twice. It would dip and come right up, but not back down.

The KYB's are new, I just don't think they are strong enough. One thing I noticed is that the KYBs say they are not gas charged. The sensitracs were, you couldn't push down on the corners of the car when I had them on new. The car would not move down at all. Once they wore out over the years then they would and the car started to bounce more.

Maybe the Eibachs are not broke in yet... I know when I out on the USED FE3 it bounced like crazy for a month then settled down and the car dropped some...


If I was going for overall performance & comfort in a car I'd go with a stiff factory spring, good struts/shocks and LARGE sway bars. Those don't make your ride as harsh as springs do. But I do like the even wheel gap all around that the Eibachs provide.

Even co-workers that have rode with me have said "this is really bouncy". It's just the front that bounces. It's like there is too much weight for the strut to handle. I bet if I had a 5spd and battery relocation it wouldn't bounce as much since there would be that much less (150+lbs) weight & inertia for the struts to deal with.

[Money pit Beretta]

I like the idea of FE3 or FE7. I just don't know where to get them new. FE7 sounds good if they were made for the 3100/4T60 weight. Isaac try those Monroe Plus. They are a little more stiff than stock, but have a good ride. I will never buy Sensatracs again, they don't react fast enough and the car feels like a 70's car(lots of bouncing or you could call it float).

[IsaacHayes]

If I have to do stuff over I might try them. I've never heard of them. I thought the Sensi-trac's were the top of the line offered by monroe for the L bodies? There was something else but it wasn't as good and cheaper...

You should still be able to get FE3 springs from a 96 beretta from the stealershit. But that will only work if your car is 95-96 since the rear springs changed in 95.

[3X00-Modified]

KYB's are gas charged, and they should NOT bounce... if your having this issue you got a bum set of struts. I've had that happen before too... a brand new set I blew a seal out of one and noticed it was very bouncy.

My pink car does not do what you described. and neither does the red car right now and those struts are probably far shot.

This could also happen... (10/17/07) This is what I got with my last set of struts in the red car... One the valves blew out but it was still charged but there was just no dampener, so it extended way to quick and easily, which created a bouncy condition.

Vid of the problem.

[woody90gtz]

I've got a bunch of front end noises on the 91, too. I'm thinking some brand new struts & strut mounts should take care of most of it.

I really wish I welded up my unibody while I had the chance to. Oh well. I guess I'll found out if that is an issue or not once I replace the struts.

[Money pit Beretta]

Dang Woody, I thought you would have put all new parts on your car with the way you had it apart. Did you put new control arm bushings in? Just asking.

[woody90gtz]

Yup, ES poly bushings and welded control arms. I was told the struts & shocks were good, but I'm pretty sure that's where at least most of my problems are. I already had KYB's with Eibachs and new(ish) 95 strut mounts that I sold to Mark, before I ever drove the 91. That ended up being stupid, but I'll get it sorted out.

[Barry]

Nobody makes a good strut for our cars. There all crap with drop springs, kyb is just a step up from crap.

Ill post up some numbers of bilsteins and konis that will work for us when I start my front strut project(engine comes first).

[Asylum]

My Quad does the bump and grind thing when it's cold.

I'm thinking ball joints, as rust isn't an issue as far as the rack goes.

And I do have a minor power steering fluid leak.

But it's VERY steering wheel evident and I'm now thinking steering rack.

YIKES!

[Money pit Beretta]

Nice bushings Woody. With the speed that you work at I'm sure that you will have it all done by next month.

[woody90gtz]

Nice bushings Woody. With the speed that you work at I'm sure that you will have it all done by next month.

Not a chance... haha

I'm kicked out of the garage for the winter, so it will be sitting untouched until spring. I'd love to go Bilsteins instead of the KYBs I had, so I'll have to see what Barry posts.

[IsaacHayes]

Jon, my KYB's were black... weird... But anyway I don't think anything is wrong with mine. They just are not quick enough on the drop and needs just slightly more dampening on the rebound or something. Go over a dip, front drops comes up a little too high before settling back down to normal cruise height. Other cars going over the same part of road they stay totally flat, don't drop, don't bounce up higher than before and then settle down.

Maybe it's too heavy of un-sprung weight with my heavy Z wheels and 225's... _shrug_

[Money pit Beretta]

I got the Cavy out today. Man did it beat us up. Great on the highway unless there were bumps. I almost hit my head when looking out the window. Isaac, mine don't do the same. Mine are quick to react(but in a harsh way). GR2's are more for Auto X and don't act the same as stock shocks(as you know). So you can't judge them by other cars. Are you sure yours are ok?

[IsaacHayes]

Yeah they are working, just not as quick reacting as I'd like.... Honestly if there was less weight in the front the inertia and momentum would be reduced and they would probably do a lot better. I bet with a 5spd they are pretty damn good. I have the gas-a-just's in the rear and it's perfect.