my updated GTZ pics (1990 Garnett Quad H/O)

[tvc3-gtz]

So, after much thought, I have decided and begun work taking apart my rusted Beretta Indy 5/spd. As for the GTZ, I am definitely keeping that and here are some more pictures of it for your entertainment, let me know how you like my car so far..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36511584@N ... 287036373/

[Money pit Beretta]

They both look to be in great shape. Where are the Indy's wheels?

[3X00-Modified]

Your the member on Bstuff that's located in Palmer MA correct? If so that's not that far from me.

[tvc3-gtz]

the indy's wheels are stored in my dads basement in NY.. IDK.. since I have driven the GTZ and have such a nice condition beretta, I wanna buy something with as much potential/pep as a gtz (5 speed quad z26/ 5 speed swapped z26 or something)... the indy has 205k+miles on her and she has rust in places.. the undercarriage is good and the frame is still decent.. it runs and drives and should not take much to get fixed.. but even with a 3400 swap, my gtz is faster.. so what should I do? cut my losses and move on?

[Money pit Beretta]

Move on? Newer cars have more power, but have too much weight. The power to weight is more or less the same as the Indy. Have you looked into building the 3400(cam, heads and intakes)?

[tvc3-gtz]

Yeah, but after I discovered the rust literally everywhere on her, she has kinda bit the dust in my eyes... So therefore she is going to be scrapped... I am in the process of dismantling her in my spare time.. If anyone wants to buy seats/the full indy rim set (reconditioned), engine parts, etc.. PM me.. I'll miss this car, but I may have to rebuild my GTZ if the head gasket goes in it.. that being said I'll be charging that doch quad four so I will probably look into getting a quad z as a daily driver once I get my license back (stupid ma is taking it for 2 mos for bullshit tickets).. *sigh*

[tvc3-gtz]

hmm... I am now more worried than not about my GTZ's head gasket... if it does end up going bye bye, does anybody live close enough to come help me

[3X00-Modified]

As noted I live in Plainfield CT, not far, but I'm unfamiliar with working on a quad.

[Chad91GTZ]

Replacing the head gasket is a fairly Involved process on the quad. If you take it apart wrong, you're in trouble. If you out it back together wrong, your in trouble. There are a hundred things you should do when you have it pulled apart because unless you're set on mods, you won't wanna do it again.

I can't come there and help you, but if you have ANY questions feel free to ask me, Quads are my thing.

[3X00-Modified]

If your referring to all the cam timing items, I just did a timing belt on my Subaru DOHC motor, so timing doesn't scare me, the quad only has two cams... I had 4 to deal with.

I can't really see what else might be that difficult.

[Chad91GTZ]

Jon, didnt say difficult. It's a very specific process to take it apart and put it back together. (just like any engine, but imho even more so on a quad) If youre a backyard mechanic, and have never pulled one apart it can look a little daunting.

It doesn't sound like this gentleman has much experience, and while you may not be scared of timing, some people cringe at the thought of all their valves smashing into their pistons if they didn't get the timing right.

The timing chain is a pain in the ass due to space, and the spring on the tensioner for it has caused me at least three bloody knuckles on a single day. The sequence for removing and tightening the cam towers is hugely important, and if you don't have a torque angle meter getting everything fastened to the correct specs is a real job.

Also not having cam gear keepers and just using bolts is adequit at best.

It can be a serious pain for a novice, not sure why you'd disagree with me? Lol

[90GTZHO]

Pics arent working for me

[tvc3-gtz]

so yeah, well I have decided that I would attempt the feat of taking it and putting it back together.. any support would be appreciated (assuming the engine blows a head gasket, which I hope it doesn't). Either or, yeah I heard the timing chain on DOHC Q4's is annoying as hell.. I hope I can have help and get this thing even better than it was before.

[3X00-Modified]

Jon, didnt say difficult. It's a very specific process to take it apart and put it back together. (just like any engine, but imho even more so on a quad) If youre a backyard mechanic, and have never pulled one apart it can look a little daunting.

It doesn't sound like this gentleman has much experience, and while you may not be scared of timing, some people cringe at the thought of all their valves smashing into their pistons if they didn't get the timing right.

The timing chain is a pain in the ass due to space, and the spring on the tensioner for it has caused me at least three bloody knuckles on a single day. The sequence for removing and tightening the cam towers is hugely important, and if you don't have a torque angle meter getting everything fastened to the correct specs is a real job.

Also not having cam gear keepers and just using bolts is adequit at best.

It can be a serious pain for a novice, not sure why you'd disagree with me? Lol

I don't disagree with it being a serious pain for a Novice, but since he was talking about me helping him, then I was referring to me being able to figure out how to work on it. I'm aware of cam tower torque sequences and such, its similar to doing a head... obviously not exactly the same but on the same idea. I've helped with a timing chain on a cavalier 2.2L before so I'm somewhat familiar with the space restrictions, but I can't see it being any worse than doing a timing chain on my 3400 while the engine was in the car, space wise.

[Chad91GTZ]

Jon, didnt say difficult. It's a very specific process to take it apart and put it back together. (just like any engine, but imho even more so on a quad) If youre a backyard mechanic, and have never pulled one apart it can look a little daunting.

It doesn't sound like this gentleman has much experience, and while you may not be scared of timing, some people cringe at the thought of all their valves smashing into their pistons if they didn't get the timing right.

The timing chain is a pain in the ass due to space, and the spring on the tensioner for it has caused me at least three bloody knuckles on a single day. The sequence for removing and tightening the cam towers is hugely important, and if you don't have a torque angle meter getting everything fastened to the correct specs is a real job.

Also not having cam gear keepers and just using bolts is adequit at best.

It can be a serious pain for a novice, not sure why you'd disagree with me? Lol

I don't disagree with it being a serious pain for a Novice, but since he was talking about me helping him, then I was referring to me being able to figure out how to work on it. I'm aware of cam tower torque sequences and such, its similar to doing a head... obviously not exactly the same but on the same idea. I've helped with a timing chain on a cavalier 2.2L before so I'm somewhat familiar with the space restrictions, but I can't see it being any worse than doing a timing chain on my 3400 while the engine was in the car, space wise.

Lol, well I have ZERO doubt it will go smoothly with you helping him!