For Sale Rules Not approved.

[3X00-Modified]

Come up with some rules then.

We'll be here all day because no one will agree.

[diedemus]

These were posted per my request since Jon had already gone through the effort. These are the guidelines for their respective For Sale threads, and I expect them to be followed if you want your thread to be allowed.

[3X00-Modified]

Lets see what you can come up with... Thread open.

[Rodville]

I posted in the other thread before I saw this one. Whoops.

[DTMAce]

Ok, where can I find the rules you had up? Did you delete the posts? I was going to put something together and all I can find are partial quotes.....

NM, found them:

CAR FOR SALE THREADS
1) DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS - NO EXCEPTIONS:

A. Location of item must be listed in your title. Please post the state or province, country, etc where your vehicle is located.

B. Vehicle Identification Number must be listed in your posting. Please list your vehicle's VIN so it's available for checking against registry reporting systems, i.e., CarFax, AutoCheck, etc. Listing false or fabricated VINs for your vehicle is grounds for banning from the site for fraudulent activity.

C. Picture/s of the listed item must be included within 24-hours of thread posting. Within 24-hours of posting your thread, you must upload actual pictures of the vehicle you are selling in the current, sellable condition to your for sale thread. You may also provide a link to your vehicle's off-site pictures or even a link to pictures to your vehicle for sale on eBay, provided you have pictures loaded on the site. A link in lieu of the 24-hour posting requirement will result in the thread being closed. Misrepresentation of an item is unacceptable and offenders may be permanently banned.

D. Post a reasonable price. We are not eBay, nor an auction site, so "make an offer" is not acceptable. Reasonable price means that you have done some research and identified a fair price-point that will actually sell. Requesting "offers" without a reasonable starting point is essentially the same as requesting members to "bid" on your item(s). Listing intentional over-inflated pricing is also NOT allowed and will be subject to closure or infractions.

2) LISTING REQUIREMENTS - NO EXCEPTIONS

Retain all original post information - don't delete anything. Member-sellers are required to retain all original post materials, e.g., listing information, photos, price(s), etc., if/when the vehicle is no longer available for sale. This "No Editing Out" of for-sale information policy protects both the buyer and seller and gives other members a price-point to use in establishing the potential market value of their vehicle(s).

Post vehicles that are ready to sell. Otherwise, please make sure you let potential buyers know when the vehicle will be available.

3) POST SALE INFORMATION

Using PayPal. Never use PayPal's "gift" feature to purchase a vehicle on the site. If the only way a seller will "sell" is if the buyer acquiesces and uses the Gift choice, then, this may very well be a scam and buyers are warned. If you use PayPal's Gift feature, and the seller receives the funds, from PayPal's perspective, then you the buyer truly intended this as a "Gift" and PayPal will not attempt to collect from the seller no matter how much you protest. A gift is a gift. However, if you choose to use PayPal's other options to purchase a vehicle, you have a limit of 45 days from the original date of purchase during which you may lodge a dispute and petition for a refund. 60 days from the original date of purchase if paid by a Visa or MasterCard with your bank
Shipping/Handling may be part of the sale. Once a vehicle is sold, the sale is not over. Making sure the item is delivered (or shipped properly and arrives to the intended buyer) is the responsibility of the seller unless other agreements have been reached.

Disputes must be handled privately. If there is a problem or issue, you must first work it out amongst yourselves via PM, email or other communication methods. Do not post in the open forums until you have contacted the OP to first attempt to resolve the issue. Only report poor sales IF you have no success in coming to an agreement.

Poor Seller / Buyer Note. Any member who is a poor seller/buyer and is unwilling to resolve any issues will be placed on a time out or banned depending on the severity of the offense. This will not be a unilateral decision, but will be based on an assessment of the situation by the moderators.

Use Feedback threads. Feedback threads enables other members to review transactions between a potential seller and other members and then determine if they want to do business with that seller.

*For those members who have had a good experience, then post a POSITIVE rating
*If there was an issue and it was resolved, please post a POSITIVE (because it was resolved) or a NEUTRAL rating
*If you have a bad experience with a member, and are unable to resolve the issue, then post a NEGATIVE rating and a short note describing the issue(s).
*In all cases, remember that you need to work it out, do not just immediately post a negative rating.

That was for cars, and then you had one for parts. I think what we need is a global, one post one guideline for doing sale threads. I will be quoting parts, and suggesting thoughts. I may also use quips from another format that Rodville posted too, just for giggles. LOL

Let me work on this for a bit, will post again.

[3X00-Modified]

Why start with what I copied, I want to hear what you all want.

Make a rule set mash it together with everyone else, cover with saran wrap, chill in the fridge for 24hrs and then put it in the oven at 450 and see what you end up with.

[DTMAce]

Ok, of the original sale rules posting that I have above. Can't be sure if it was altered or not when Jon posted it, but I don't think it was...

Anyways.

A. Location of item must be listed in your title. Please post the state or province, country, etc where your vehicle is located.

This is a MUST. I would probably adjust the wording to the following and include willingness to ship, deliver, etc:

A. Location of item/vehicle must be listed in your title description. Please include the state or province, country, etc where your vehicle is located. Also please let others know if you are willing to ship items/vehicle, as this greatly increases or decreases the interest in your sale.

B. Vehicle Identification Number must be listed in your posting. Please list your vehicle's VIN so it's available for checking against registry reporting systems, i.e., CarFax, AutoCheck, etc. Listing false or fabricated VINs for your vehicle is grounds for banning from the site for fraudulent activity.

Ok, so we all know this is a point of debate. Personally I have no issue with posting a VIN on here. Maybe SGR would care to elaborate the type of scamming that someone is going to do with a VIN number? Anyways, if for some reason a person is unwilling to publicly post it, simply add in this to the B: section:

B. Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) should be included in your posting. Please list your vehicle's VIN so it's available for checking against registry reporting systems, i.e., CarFax, AutoCheck, etc. Listing false or fabricated VINs for your vehicle is grounds for banning from the site for fraudulent activity. At the VERY LEAST, state that you will provide the VIN on request via Private Message (PM). Failure or unwillingness to provide a VIN for verification of your vehicle may subject you to having your sale thread closed.

Next up.

C. Picture/s of the listed item must be included within 24-hours of thread posting. Within 24-hours of posting your thread, you must upload actual pictures of the vehicle you are selling in the current, sellable condition to your for sale thread. You may also provide a link to your vehicle's off-site pictures or even a link to pictures to your vehicle for sale on eBay, provided you have pictures loaded on the site. A link in lieu of the 24-hour posting requirement will result in the thread being closed. Misrepresentation of an item is unacceptable and offenders may be permanently banned.

Totally agree. Though reword it a tad:

C. Picture(s) of the listed item/vehicle must be included within 24-hours of thread posting. Within 24-hours of posting your thread, you must provide actual pictures of the parts or vehicle you are selling in their current, sellable condition to your for-sale thread. You may also provide a link to your parts/vehicle's off-site pictures or even a link to pictures to your vehicle for sale on eBay, provided you have pictures loaded on the site. A link in lieu of the 24-hour posting requirement will result in the thread being closed. Misrepresentation of an item is unacceptable and offenders may be permanently banned. For assistance with posting pictures, see the "Can I post images?" section of the FAQ located at the top upper right.

Next up..

D. Post a reasonable price. We are not eBay, nor an auction site, so "make an offer" is not acceptable. Reasonable price means that you have done some research and identified a fair price-point that will actually sell. Requesting "offers" without a reasonable starting point is essentially the same as requesting members to "bid" on your item(s). Listing intentional over-inflated pricing is also NOT allowed and will be subject to closure or infractions.

I would probably add the following to this:

Having posted a reasonable price, you may also include OBO (Or Best Offer) along with the price. But remind buyers to PM you with their offers, rather than post them publicly in the thread.

Lets see...

Listing requirements:

Retain all original post information - don't delete anything. Member-sellers are required to retain all original post materials, e.g., listing information, photos, price(s), etc., if/when the vehicle is no longer available for sale. This "No Editing Out" of for-sale information policy protects both the buyer and seller and gives other members a price-point to use in establishing the potential market value of their vehicle(s).

Now, I do like this option. Rather than going back and editing your first post to now say "SOLD", etc, you can leave your properly formatted sale thread as a record of the sale, in case of future issues. Please note, I take this rule to not include editing things like spelling mistakes, or being able to add to the first post. I often revise the first post as I use it to still include info, but maybe help it look better or to add to it. But you can always add the text "Edit" followed by the date and put your edits below that point as well. But ONCE an item is bought, the layout of the sale post should be left as is, just have it say sold in the title, or at the bottom of the post.

Post vehicles that are ready to sell. Otherwise, please make sure you let potential buyers know when the vehicle will be available.

This is a no brainer. I would edit it to included items as part of the read:

Post vehicles/parts that are ready to sell. Otherwise, please make sure you let potential buyers know when the item(s) will be available.

To ADD to this! I get annoyed when people post multiple threads for stuff. SO as a further point to that rule, add the following:

If you are selling multiple items, list each item in one sale post. You can keep them all in the one post with spacing, or make separate posts, but use one thread. Don't use 5 threads for 5 items. Be sure to include pics for the items. This would only apply to parts, as vehicles should be kept in a thread by themselves.

Post sale section:

Using PayPal. Never use PayPal's "gift" feature to purchase a vehicle on the site. If the only way a seller will "sell" is if the buyer acquiesces and uses the Gift choice, then, this may very well be a scam and buyers are warned. If you use PayPal's Gift feature, and the seller receives the funds, from PayPal's perspective, then you the buyer truly intended this as a "Gift" and PayPal will not attempt to collect from the seller no matter how much you protest. A gift is a gift. However, if you choose to use PayPal's other options to purchase a vehicle, you have a limit of 45 days from the original date of purchase during which you may lodge a dispute and petition for a refund. 60 days from the original date of purchase if paid by a Visa or MasterCard with your bank
Shipping/Handling may be part of the sale. Once a vehicle is sold, the sale is not over. Making sure the item is delivered (or shipped properly and arrives to the intended buyer) is the responsibility of the seller unless other agreements have been reached.

Agree with this completely. I don't think much editing is called for here though, unless anyone wants to clarify paypal rules or something.

Disputes must be handled privately. If there is a problem or issue, you must first work it out amongst yourselves via PM, email or other communication methods. Do not post in the open forums until you have contacted the OP to first attempt to resolve the issue. Only report poor sales IF you have no success in coming to an agreement.

I feel we need to set a time frame, or have an expected time frame for resolution of a dispute. For example, we can't say that someone who sold someone an item, and the guy sends him one message then a day later posts a rant. You have to give a seller time to respond. I would say a week would be at MOST a proper time frame. So if someone were to send me a message that what I sold them sucked, I would have a week to respond. I generally am willing to provide any means of communication personally, but not everyone may. We may want to be sure that e-mails and/or phone number contacts be provided, especially with expensive items.

Poor Seller / Buyer Note. Any member who is a poor seller/buyer and is unwilling to resolve any issues will be placed on a time out or banned depending on the severity of the offense. This will not be a unilateral decision, but will be based on an assessment of the situation by the moderators.

Agree with this one too. Pretty clear, goes along with above.

Use Feedback threads. Feedback threads enables other members to review transactions between a potential seller and other members and then determine if they want to do business with that seller.

Yep. Problem is, not everyone thinks to provide feedback. LOL I don't remember, do we have a voting thing for people on here, where we can say they are great or they suck? LOL

*For those members who have had a good experience, then post a POSITIVE rating
*If there was an issue and it was resolved, please post a POSITIVE (because it was resolved) or a NEUTRAL rating
*If you have a bad experience with a member, and are unable to resolve the issue, then post a NEGATIVE rating and a short note describing the issue(s).
*In all cases, remember that you need to work it out, do not just immediately post a negative rating.

Those seem fine too.

Now, a few points from Rodvilles posting:

9. DIBS: most users allow the 'dibs' system. If you do not want to tolerate "dibs" then the title or first paragraph must clearly state "NO dibs." If someone calls "dibs" and you sell something behind their back because you just couldn't wait for dibs to expire, you will be banned from sales for a week. 2nd offense = 6 months . 3rd offense = banned from sales forever. Each offense will also get you an increase in your warning level.

I get what they are saying here, but I know that in most cases, whoever posts wanting to buy an item first is usually the one that may get the first opportunity.

Sometimes people send requests via PM rather than in the thread for the same item someone else posted in the thread. The only thing I can point out, is time. Note the times of the posts vs a PM, and see which is earlier. This is how I have handled my items in the past. If someone says they wanted it, I gave them a couple of business days to pay. If they didn't I would offer it to the next person. Pretty simple. We may want to rework that to read a bit differently, like this:

Buyers wanting to claim "dibs" on item(s) must be ready to PAY for the item(s). Up to the seller, but give a potential buyer a time frame of when you expect payment for the item. Sellers should in turn address would-be buyers on a first-come first-serve basis as best as possible. Messages and posts have time/date stamps which can help.

Anyway, that is what I see that would work out, thoughts? May need to be resorted a bit, but I think this might work better for us as a group.

[DTMAce]

Why start with what I copied, I want to hear what you all want.

Make a rule set mash it together with everyone else, cover with saran wrap, chill in the fridge for 24hrs and then put it in the oven at 450 and see what you end up with.

Well, to be honest what you had put up was pretty good. Just needed some tweaking!

I know you didn't write it up yourself, and no one is being down about it on you Jon. I think its great that someone put something up. But as we all know, we are a bunch of fussy people! LOL

All I did was tweak it a bit, maybe it will work better for everyone for now. Lets see what anyone else has to offer....

[heavywoody]

I'm going to mix up the wording a bit for the "Price" issue. People can put whatever price they want; some people might be willing to pay the asking price, some people won't be. That's up to the people looking to buy. If I had a NOS part that was rare and wanted $500, if someone wants it badly enough for a project they might just pay it. I don't think it's anyones call to ban or warn someone if they think their price is high. Think of it like this; just because one person thinks a price might be high (maybe you don't want it or need it), doesn't mean that price wouldn't be too high for someone else that could actually use that part.

D. Post your price and include OBO (Or Best Offer) or FIRM afterwards depending on if you are willing to be negotiated with. This is not an auction site, so starting a bidding war or "make an offer" is not acceptable. If you are willing to take offers, put a note in the topic for members to PM you with their offers, rather than post them publicly in the thread.

I also think that if an item doesn't sell and a member wants to lower their asking price, they should be allowed to alter the original thread, but only if they leave the original price visible.

Example:

Mint Light Grey Z26 seats - Full set - Originally asking $200, now asking $150.

[ErichZ26]

I disagree that there should be a requirement of photo images or digital images. There are many times its a good idea to post images of the item for sale but not a necessity. Photo images are marketing. It is possible to buy and sell an item without a photo.

[ErichZ26]

I would reword the sending money as gift. Not everyone is going to scam you.

I just sold a rear view mirror to another member without a photo and it was sent as gift. I must be a scam artist.

[Rodville]

Erich not everyone is you. It may be hard to believe but you are one of the rare ones.

[ErichZ26]

Will we require items to be sold with a warranty? as is? not as described? And must a seller take an item back.

[ErichZ26]

Erich not everyone is you. It may be hard to believe but you are one of the rare ones.

Order an item from Car-part.com or any salvage yard. Ebay and craigslist do not require photoimages. If someone wants to post inventory by description and part number i am for it. I believe that photo's are marketing and should not be a requirement.


It should be recommended. It should not be required.


Here is my example.

95-96 Beretta Eibach Pro Kit EB-3844 Price $230 NIB

Description

New in box never installed Eibach lowering spring kit.


No photo...or using a Eibach Photo from their website.



Another example is to sell a Garman navigation unit. and using a photo from the Garman site that best represents the item.

[3X00-Modified]

I just sold a rear view mirror to another member without a photo and it was sent as gift. I must be a scam artist.

Your really good at bending words and interpreting things in COMPLETELY the wrong way.