For Sale Rules Not approved.

[DTMAce]

Will we require items to be sold with a warranty? as is? not as described? And must a seller take an item back.

Erich not everyone is you. It may be hard to believe but you are one of the rare ones.

Order an item from Car-part.com or any salvage yard. Ebay and craigslist do not require photoimages. If someone wants to post inventory by description and part number i am for it. I believe that photo's are marketing and should not be a requirement.


It should be recommended. It should not be required.

With regards to warranty. That can be up to the individual seller. Maybe a line in the guide like:

When selling an item/vehicle, state whether there is any warranty or returns allowed, or if the item(s) are as-is, etc. This helps others to know what to expect if there is a problem.

I have a warranty on my LED work. I do not warrant various car parts, but will work with someone if there were issues. Details like these can be added.

As for the picture thing. You are throwing the word out there, "Marketing". What are you doing when you sell a part or a car? You are putting it on the market. So where is the problem really? I actually avoid CL ads that have no pictures, unless they are VERY good with their writing skills. Pictures say a thousand words. So yes, requiring a photo is a good idea.

Now, maybe if you are parting out a car, and just take pictures of items as they are requested, that isn't so bad. I did that with the base. I sold a couple of items without pictures, such as a lock switch, some screws, a wiper switch, etc. I can see your point too. I guess it just depends. Some people don't have camera skills, or know how to post images either. I understand that as well.

Maybe it should read "For most items, including photos are a requirement" Rodville's rule post had the price point being a deciding factor as to photo's being required. In our case, maybe 25 -50 dollar items or less wouldn't require a photo but it would be recommended. Would that help at all? I mean small piddly parts, may not really need a photo, but people can at least make the effort.

[Alpinestar10]

Also add to the rules that beretta.net is not liable for any and all transactions in these threads that they are at your ouwn risk??

[DTMAce]

Yeah, that would be good to have too. Good point out.

[3X00-Modified]

Also add to the rules that beretta.net is not liable for any and all transactions in these threads that they are at your ouwn risk??

That will be the first line.

[ronaconda]

My attempt at the general rules...

New members will not be able to start threads in the "For Sale" forums until they have been a forum member for 30 days and have AT LEAST 50 posts or otherwise approved by a moderator!!!


• Beretta.net, nor it’s owner(s), cannot be held liable for the content of any advertisement nor any and all transactions in these threads – buy/sell at your own risk.

• No "Feeler" threads. Either sell your item or don't. Feeler threads will be deleted. If you want to see what someone might pay for your car or part, post it in General Discussion.

• If you don't have money to buy something, stop wasting the time of these sellers with useless replies for pictures or info of items that you have no intent on buying.

• Do not clutter up someone else's thread with posts not related to the buying and/or selling of the item in question.

• NO idle chit chats in others For Sale threads. It is not fair to the seller to do so and it is a pain for buyers to have to wade through all the garbage just to find out more information about said item. We will allow posts that have information related to the item for sale that may be of use to others. Do not abuse this. Posting 10 lines of idle chit/chat and then adding a one-line question about the item is unacceptable. Your post will be deleted. If you want to find out what the seller had for breakfast, use PM. We will delete posts without warning.

• All “For Sale” ads MUST include a price. Sellers set their own asking price. All price negotiations must be done via PM or email. Publicly humiliating someone over a price will result in the offending post being deleted without warning and infraction being posted to your account. Sellers will get the hint, due to the lack of interested buyers, they may be asking too much.

• If you think something is not worth the asking price, or you found something at another site or a yard sale for less, don't post stating you found a deal on the same thing elsewhere! If you want to bring it to the seller’s attention, use a PM. All posts of this nature will be deleted.

• No offensive ads or items that can not be sold legally. All posts in the “For Sale” forum need to be Beretta/Corsica/Tempest related or somehow related to the Beretta.net website. This means only posts with parts for sale for a Beretta/Corsica/Tempest or tools/supplies related to working on them.

• Buyers, it is your responsibility to make sure the part you wish to buy will fit/work with your vehicle. Sellers, it is your responsibility if you specify a year/make/model your item will work with, make sure the item will actually work with that year/make/model car you are advertising it for. All items in the “For Sale” forum are sold “as-is”. Items have no warranty either expressed or implied unless offered solely by the seller.

• Questionable ads, even if it may be legal, will be removed without warning.

• You may only bump your posts once every 24 hours or more. Excessive bumps may result in the entire thread being removed without warning.

• All fees associated with the purchase (i.e. Paypal) must be negotiated at the time of sale. Make sure you read and understand the policies of the sites that offer these types of services.

• Ads for vehicles for sale must, at the very least, include year, model, and location of what you are selling. Posting VIN numbers in the ads are at the Sellers discretion. Buyers, VIN requests must be done via PM. Sellers, VIN requests must be honored unless you feel that the request is not legitimate. VIN requests happen for several reasons including, but not limited to, lien holder checks and checks against registry reporting systems.

• Sellers, it is in your best interest to include photos of the item/vehicle for sale. Included photos MUST be of the actual item/vehicle being sold. This applies to threads referencing items being sold off site (i.e. eBay, craigslist, etc.) Misrepresentation of an item is unacceptable and offenders may be permanently banned.

• Disputes must be handled privately. If there is a problem or issue, you must first work it out amongst yourselves via PM, email, or other communication methods. Do not post in the open forums until you have exhausted all other communication methods to resolve the issue. Only report poor sales IF you have no success in coming to an agreement.

• Once the item is sold, update the thread as such.

• Use Feedback threads. Feedback threads enable other members to review transactions between a potential seller and other members and then determine if they want to do business with that seller. For those members who have had a good experience, then post a POSITIVE rating. If there was an issue and it was resolved, please post a POSITIVE (because it was resolved) or a NEUTRAL rating. If you have a bad experience with a member, and are unable to resolve the issue, then post a NEGATIVE rating and a short note describing the issue(s). In all cases, remember that you need to work it out, do not just immediately post a negative rating.

[ErichZ26]

Ron's post above has very thorough points to it. I like it.

In regards to my above comments. A way to insert photo's that can be enlarged similar to Photobucket would be nice. As it stands now we can enter links from outside sources or from uploads from the site. I find the sites uploading program to work in its basic form but to encourage photos an integrated program would be nice.

[SuzukiGhostRider]

Ron's run down seems a pretty good grasp on a general for sale policy. One exception. I do believe pics should be REQUIRED,not optional. It's not just a "marketing tool" as Erich claims. This is a sale happening sight unseen in most cases, except for pics submitted. The potential buyer has a right to have as many means as possible at his/her disposal to make an informed decision.

[ErichZ26]

As for the picture thing. You are throwing the word out there, "Marketing". What are you doing when you sell a part or a car? You are putting it on the market. So where is the problem really? I actually avoid CL ads that have no pictures, unless they are VERY good with their writing skills. Pictures say a thousand words. So yes, requiring a photo is a good idea.

Now, maybe if you are parting out a car, and just take pictures of items as they are requested, that isn't so bad. I did that with the base. I sold a couple of items without pictures, such as a lock switch, some screws, a wiper switch, etc. I can see your point too. I guess it just depends. Some people don't have camera skills, or know how to post images either. I understand that as well.

Maybe it should read "For most items, including photos are a requirement" Rodville's rule post had the price point being a deciding factor as to photo's being required. In our case, maybe 25 -50 dollar items or less wouldn't require a photo but it would be recommended. Would that help at all? I mean small piddly parts, may not really need a photo, but people can at least make the effort.

Having a photo posted in a for sale is a good idea. But requiring a photo to make a sale is not necessary.

When I use the word "marketing" I use it in a way that makes your product or service stand out. Promotion of a sale of an item.

People buy things off the internet off sites with some of the basic information. You may require a photo to make your decision. This is a personal decision but I would not make it a requirement for the group.

One of my business ventures is an online account selling new in box electronic items and we use only the manufacturers stock photos. This is common and acceptable in ecommerce trade.

I do not want to discourage anyone from this site to not use photo's. But i do not want to make a requirement that they can only sell their items if they post them.

[Rodville]

If anyone is taking count I am on the mandatory picture camp.

[ErichZ26]

Ron's run down seems a pretty good grasp on a general for sale policy. One exception. I do believe pics should be REQUIRED,not optional. It's not just a "marketing tool" as Erich claims. This is a sale happening sight unseen in most cases, except for pics submitted. The potential buyer has a right to have as many means as possible at his/her disposal to make an informed decision.

This will only lead to more requirements. I will give you an example. Such as requiring that weights and measurements be inserted into listings to calculate shipping. Shouldn't the buyer have an idea of what an item costs to ship?

Do you require a photo of an item that you purchase from a salvage yard prior to making your purchase decision?


Car-part for example does part grading...no photos. It is a marketing technique and not even required to post on their site.

[Godlike]

Wow this is turning into ebay.
I didn't know anyone used the classifieds

[ErichZ26]

before you do any requirements on this. Fix the photo up-loader and make it user friendly.

Will this be required for offsite listings. For example if I link Beretta.net for sale classified to my website will i be required to have photo's of my inventory?

Seriously, Guys and Gals I am not against photo's in listings. I even have a full time photo booth and decent camera's.

If i get a sales lead on something i want or need i do not walk away from a deal just because of a photo.

[3X00-Modified]

Explain what's wrong with the photo uploader...

[ErichZ26]

It allows for 1 photo in 1 post. You need to make several posts to upload different view. there should be an option to view the image in low res. Then click it to high res.

If you ever use services like Inkfrog or Auctiva and some of my ecommerce sites they have nice tools for listings.

[SuzukiGhostRider]

Honestly Erich, I'll give it to you straight. You're the ONE GUY on this site who's NOTORIOUS for never posting pics and dragging your feet about it when asked for them. I'm not surprised you're the ONLY outspoken activist against this type of policy. Trying to say that weights,measurements,etc will be asked for next is ridiculous. That is something the buyer and seller can work out when it comes time to ship if need be. I think you're blowing the mandatory pics idea WAY out of proportion because you're the one seller who never seems to want to post pics.

I will agree Bnet's pic uploader is sorry at best. It takes FOREVER , hangs, drops file downloads,etc. That is why I always use PB or some outside linking source and just use [img] links.

I've never had an issue.

It takes what , a few minutes, to snap a pic or two? Upload and post. Pretty simple.