Project Cojones Updated

[heavywoody]

Boner isn't out to screw anybody, so I'm sure that those aren't really Gabriels. Mantapart needed a casing to put the Bilsteins into, and considering that Mantapart had gone downhill very quickly, he (Mantapart) probably didn't bother to repaint the housings.

[LOLVTEC]

I was wondering if they were inserts... I wasn't sure. All I know is the struts and shocks look like 100% stock Gabriel units. No real sign of modification what so ever. The struts wouldn't budge at all when putting weight on them... are they supposed to be that stiff? The shocks sounded like they had air in them and didn't act right when compressing, they've been sitting in storage for about 4 years... (PS all this suspension came off his Cavalier I'm pretty sure).

For an alternator am I going to need one for an 89 or an 01? (The motor IS actually an 01 3400). I don't have an alternator for either (actually, I might have a spare off another 2.8...). Not sure if they mount up the same.

No one has any idea about the shift cable interchangability?

[ronaconda]

You'll use your 89 alternator and bracket

[scd88ga]

(The motor IS actually an 01 3400).
No one has any idea about the shift cable interchangability?

So, do you want/need that 99 3400 fuel rail and injectors/harness I have then?

As far as the shift cables go, a getrag 282 is a getrag 282, the cables are the same as far as fitment goes up to 93 or 94 when they switched to the larger style pins. The quad 4 shift cables will have a thick rubber cover on them where they would run by the exhaust, where-as the V6 ones don't I believe. but they are they same length and mount the same.

[LOLVTEC]

Excellent. Ok so I would need to swap to an older fuel rail setup and such? What is the need for the change?

[heavywoody]

Injectors in a 00+ 3400 have different connectors on them. 99 are plug and play, and are 19# I believe vs stock 17# found in 3100 equipped L-bodies.

Fuel rails are the same, but the lines and routings might be different. I don't remember if my 3400 lines were different than the ones on my car originally.

[spacecadetz26]

Post of pic of the struts, the bilsteins have a larger diameter piston/strut rod than a regular monroe or gabriel strut. you can tell right away if its a bilstein. and no you shouldnt be able to compress them by hand...

I believe the correct fuel lines that bolt on your car would be from a 94? or 95 3100 wbody like a grand prix (wbody 3100s used regular fuel line fittings instead of quick connects for at least those two years.)

find a spare mpfi injector harness that is not crispy if you are going to use MPFI injectors you can unwrap the harness and make it work for a 3100. its better to take it apart anyways if you've ever seen the giant ground splice that they used on those and resolder it.

[LOLVTEC]

So Steph you're saying that I have an option as far as MPFI vs SFI injectors? What would be the advantage of that?

I'll put some pics up later of the struts... How can I tell if the shocks are Bilstiens though?

[spacecadetz26]

bilstein rear shocks are yellow. i dunno if boner painted them.

you can run the mpfi injectors but i know its not ideal, the car would need proper injectors with a tune to be 100%.

Are you switching to OBDII and using dhp or hp tuners? or keeping your mpfi harness and tuning with that moates, megasquirt whatever? depends on what your doing to what you should use I guess.

if your switching to obd2 you will need the whole harness anyways so there wouldnt be any splicing. if your using your original harness you would need to do a little harness work on injectors harness so they reach each injector. the mpfi harness works but isnt a slap it together plug and play harness. you will have to pull it apart to make it work.
I did a swap a long time ago on Marc from Iowa's indy can't remember his screenname.

[ErichZ26]

Marc's name here is twistedindy1.

[ErichZ26]

I was wondering if they were inserts... I wasn't sure. All I know is the struts and shocks look like 100% stock Gabriel units. No real sign of modification what so ever. The struts wouldn't budge at all when putting weight on them... are they supposed to be that stiff? The shocks sounded like they had air in them and didn't act right when compressing, they've been sitting in storage for about 4 years... (PS all this suspension came off his Cavalier I'm pretty sure).

For an alternator am I going to need one for an 89 or an 01? (The motor IS actually an 01 3400). I don't have an alternator for either (actually, I might have a spare off another 2.8...). Not sure if they mount up the same.

No one has any idea about the shift cable interchangability?

Those front struts are very nice and use a unique double valving. Not all the Bilsteins are like this..as they do OEM replacement for some cars. This double valving makes the shaft much thicker.

The valving is very nice for aggressive springs. There is different strut insert valving depending on the design. Geoff could chime in about the race inserts he first got that were incredibly stiff and for racing only. The 5 other sets besides yours were sports.
People who had these were


Myself
Geoff
Weba who oddly enough came across the pond to get something made over in Europe
MADMark
Brad --> Boner ---> You
Look at this photo...these are strut inserts...and i believe the same or similar to what is used in the Beretta.

[woody90gtz]

The 19lb plug and play ones are ok...but do you have the injectors and rail with FPR for the 01? If so, just splice those Multec2s in your MPFI harness. That's what I did with mine. And be sure to solder all the connections. The newer style injectors run more lb/hr at higher pressure with better atomization. And I know Superdave has a tune for that configuration...that's what I'm running.

[LOLVTEC]

I believe I do have all that Woody; if that's my best bet than that's just what I'll do. The reason for wiring them into the old harness is just because the connections are different right?

So Erich you're pretty certain that the stuff I bought from Boner is the real deal? I was going to put those Bilsteins on my GTZ (which I'm having custom front springs made for), I like the sound of those struts being very stiff. The shocks seemed like they may have been shot, I dunno, I suppose I can put them on and at worst if they're bad take them back off, easy enough to do.

[bonecrrusher]

Yes they are the real deal - I got them directly from B-rad.

Heres the pics - and yes you got Eibachs as well - going way back they where in a group buy that Ribz put together.

If you look at he struts and or shocks - the part numbers where ground off of them as I am guessing Mantafart bought new struts and used the shells for there racing struts.

I POR-15'd them years ago, then primed and painted them as well.



Eibachs:

[woody90gtz]

Yes, the connections are different...and the MPFI harness only has 2 injector circuits, not 6. It fires 3 injectors at a time rather than 1.