Cluster replacement
- StevenJMcTowlie
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Cluster replacement
My gauge cluster is giving me issues so I am looking to replace. For one none of the back lights work. Have pulled it and tried to replace the bulbs but still nothing. All my indicators work, just no back light. Another issue I am having is that the speed gauge is not decreasing as the car slows. I have to drop my speed by 15 mph before the needle comes down at all.
My question is what are my replacement options? It's a 91 5 speed and it has the analog cluster w/o tach. (below)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-BERETTA-SPEE ... e3&vxp=mtr
Can I put one with a tach in and have it work properly?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-Chevy-Bere ... 15&vxp=mtr
What about one of the digital ones I have seen?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FACTORY-REBUILT ... 7c&vxp=mtr
My question is what are my replacement options? It's a 91 5 speed and it has the analog cluster w/o tach. (below)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-BERETTA-SPEE ... e3&vxp=mtr
Can I put one with a tach in and have it work properly?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-Chevy-Bere ... 15&vxp=mtr
What about one of the digital ones I have seen?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FACTORY-REBUILT ... 7c&vxp=mtr
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Re: Cluster replacement
91-95 tach clusters should swap in just fine, as long as you match it to your engine size (v6 cluster vs 4 Cyl cluster). A Quad 4 (GTZ/94 Z26) cluster will have a higher redline as opposed to the 2.2. I was unaware that there are 5-speeds out there without tach clusters. You'll also need to swap to the longer style oil pressure sender if you want the oil pressure gauge to work. Digital will not swap in without a lot of work, and there would be some fitment issues to deal with.
Not sure what would cause the speedo issues or illumination issues. Your night illumination knob is turned up, right? lol. I don't think there is a fuse that specifically ties to just the illumination on the cluster. So it could be the cluster failing or a wiring issue leading up to it.
Not sure what would cause the speedo issues or illumination issues. Your night illumination knob is turned up, right? lol. I don't think there is a fuse that specifically ties to just the illumination on the cluster. So it could be the cluster failing or a wiring issue leading up to it.
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Re: Cluster replacement
When I bought the tach cluster, like he said above, as long as the cluster tach is matched for the engine, it will work.
The only issue I had with that was "Plug-and-play" I did not know if it would work correctly for my car or not.
I bought several until I found one that worked. 2 did not work, one read to high, and the last one finally worked.
As far as I know for the tach, There is a difference between OBD1 and OBD2 as well as the engine being a the quad 4, I4 standard, or 3100 v6.
The oil sensor is easy, auto store sells them new, buy the one for the gauge, not the light.
This was for my 1996 Base Beretta, I turned it into a Z26 with all the extras.
Like he said above, The cluster style (actual shape and size) is different between 87-90 and 91-96.
The digital one fits 87-90 but its rear plug is different from the gauge design.
91-96 as far as I know never had digital, just with or without tach, plugs are the same. If I remember correctly, the tach wire is in all the cars, its just a matter of finding the correct cluster.
When I bought my cluster, I removed the speedometer so I could turn the odometer to the correct mileage, the other gauges I was able to leave in place.
Only issue I had then was I did now know what position the needle went in, we had to carefully take 2 vehicles on the freeway and match speeds, then someone in the car replaced the needle at the speed we were traveling, then we tested different speeds and its correct. (Only problem is I found out that it is 2-3 mph higher than it should be, so We have to try again at some point).
Be careful pulling the needle off, if your not careful, you can snap the needle or damage the pin it stick on and then it won't work.
When I was turning the Odometer, I found out that if its not done correctly, all the little internal locks and pinns or whatever do not line up correctly, and then it will not properly read mileage over time.
Also, its easy to break the dials inside if you use force.
When I was turning, if I remember correctly, I held the left side, then (starting with the left most dial) I turned it so that the numbers were increasing, I set each one to the correct number, moving one to the right at a time. But do not hold me to this, It has been a while since I did this. Do not turn the dial in reverse of the normal counting, this can break it I believe. Also, the odometer only installs one way, so make sure your setting the correct row of numbers, I made that mistake twice. lol
The only issue I had with that was "Plug-and-play" I did not know if it would work correctly for my car or not.
I bought several until I found one that worked. 2 did not work, one read to high, and the last one finally worked.
As far as I know for the tach, There is a difference between OBD1 and OBD2 as well as the engine being a the quad 4, I4 standard, or 3100 v6.
The oil sensor is easy, auto store sells them new, buy the one for the gauge, not the light.
This was for my 1996 Base Beretta, I turned it into a Z26 with all the extras.
Like he said above, The cluster style (actual shape and size) is different between 87-90 and 91-96.
The digital one fits 87-90 but its rear plug is different from the gauge design.
91-96 as far as I know never had digital, just with or without tach, plugs are the same. If I remember correctly, the tach wire is in all the cars, its just a matter of finding the correct cluster.
When I bought my cluster, I removed the speedometer so I could turn the odometer to the correct mileage, the other gauges I was able to leave in place.
Only issue I had then was I did now know what position the needle went in, we had to carefully take 2 vehicles on the freeway and match speeds, then someone in the car replaced the needle at the speed we were traveling, then we tested different speeds and its correct. (Only problem is I found out that it is 2-3 mph higher than it should be, so We have to try again at some point).
Be careful pulling the needle off, if your not careful, you can snap the needle or damage the pin it stick on and then it won't work.
When I was turning the Odometer, I found out that if its not done correctly, all the little internal locks and pinns or whatever do not line up correctly, and then it will not properly read mileage over time.
Also, its easy to break the dials inside if you use force.
When I was turning, if I remember correctly, I held the left side, then (starting with the left most dial) I turned it so that the numbers were increasing, I set each one to the correct number, moving one to the right at a time. But do not hold me to this, It has been a while since I did this. Do not turn the dial in reverse of the normal counting, this can break it I believe. Also, the odometer only installs one way, so make sure your setting the correct row of numbers, I made that mistake twice. lol
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Re: Cluster replacement
My '92 GT 3500 auto had a Quad faceplate with the 7000 RPM faceplate and the "Premium Fuel Required" wording.
Pretty simple switch.
The odometers are really easy too if you take you time and are careful.
As far as the needle placement, take a damn pic with your phone, and just put them back where they were.
I've done it a few times and Rodney is a Master at it,, LOL!!
Pretty simple switch.
The odometers are really easy too if you take you time and are careful.
As far as the needle placement, take a damn pic with your phone, and just put them back where they were.
I've done it a few times and Rodney is a Master at it,, LOL!!
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'92 3500 GT gone and not really missed. It was fun. Documented 13.47 N/A.
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Re: Cluster replacement
What speed were you going when you set your needle? It is supposed to cover the 2nd odometer digit while stopped. You will always have speedometer errors with the 91-96 clusters, because the printing isn't perfect.
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Re: Cluster replacement
60 mph.wi_corsica wrote:What speed were you going when you set your needle? It is supposed to cover the 2nd odometer digit while stopped. You will always have speedometer errors with the 91-96 clusters, because the printing isn't perfect.
the first time.
then because it seemed a bit wrong, i redid it at 35 mph a week later and took a guess.
I was only 3 mph off.
its good enough for me, i plan to keep the car so I'm not planning to fix it again. lol